Posted on 05/22/2007 8:33:09 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis
Ron Paul Recruits Anonymous to Attack Rudy's Foreign Policy
May 22, 2007 3:37 PM
ABC's Z. Byron Wolf reports: Presidential candidate and Libertarian Republican Rep. Ron Paul will enlist the help of Mr. Anonymous --Michael Scheuer, an author critical of Presidents in both parties and the former head of the CIA's Osama Bin Laden unit -- to argue that America's Mayor needs to bone up on his recent history.
It's been a week since the Fox News presidential debate and Ron Paul is still playing up his tiff with Rudy Giuliani that night over whether US Foreign Policy, specifically the first Gulf war, led in some way to 9/11. Paul said it's common sense. Giuliani said the notion that US Foreign policy with regard to the Middle East generally, and Iraq specifically, led to 9/11 is poppycock.
Paul and Scheuer are going to have a Thursday event at the National Press Club Thursday to, facetiously, "educate former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Foreign Policy."
"They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East [for years]. I think (Ronald) Reagan was right," Paul said. "We don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. Right now, we're building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting?"
Giuliani said Paul was being absurd.
"That's really an extraordinary statement," Giuliani said. "That's really an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don't think I have ever heard that before and I have heard some pretty absurd explanations for Sept. 11. I would ask the congressman withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that."
Paul, however, dug up a passage from the 9/11 Commission Report the next day that backed his claim and shot off a press release the next day wondering if Giuliani had even read the report. So goes the report: "His (Bin Laden) rhetoric selectively draws from multiple sources-Islam, history, and the region's political and economic malaise. He also stresses grievances against the United States widely shared in the Muslim world. He inveighed against the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam's holiest sites. He spoke of the suffering of the Iraqi people as a result of sanctions imposed after the Gulf War...."
Giuliani has not backed down. He told Sean Hannity on Sunday that Paul's "statement that really shocked me."
"I never thought I'd hear something like that at a Republican debate. I actually didn't expect it at a Democratic debate. It was sort of the kind of thing that I remember like the Saudi prince saying, you know, the one who gave us $10 million, said American foreign policy had something to do with it, that had to be changed."
"I mean, it seemed like it was so off the wall," Giuliani added. "And there are so many of these conspiracy theories about September 11, to hear one coming from a Republican was very, very disappointing. So I thought I just had to step in, nobody else seemed to be doing it. And I seemed to — I had to step in, somebody had to correct this."
Hmmm... A true conservative and the resident subject matter expert on bin laden smacking down Rudy in public.
I wonder if Rudy will be in drag...
Our next Commander in Chief? A bastion of conservatism? The voice of the GOP???
If you want to see real conservative leadership, check this out: Educating Rudy
When Ron Paul is beating you up, you got issues Ruby!
Ron Paul and, to a lesser extent, Tom Tancredo, are the only true conservatives running. Everybody else is a fraud!
Anonymous recruits Anonymous for major political mileage. Hosts of Americans say “Who”?
ABC wrote the story with “Anonymous” instead of Scheuer in order to belittle him.
What the hell happened to this site? I’m not a particular fan of Giuliani, but I don’t remember this site as being full of open supporters of sedition and treason in the past.
It’s the 1% crowd.
Was your comment designed to get the thread pulled or something. Quite nice...
Gee I guess Jimmy Carter was a Foreign Policy genius/true conservative in pulling the plug on the Shaw and letting what ever fill the vacuum...because that the same logic of Paul's Foreign Policy ...
Sounds inspiring.
I bet "Pseudocon Sean" Hannity already has that bumper sticker on his car...
Hey! Maybe it’s this Anonymous guy who’s been spamming all the online polls for Ron Paul! Clever!
No - my comment was an open question.
Last I knew, someone blaming the US for 9-11, wanting to surrender to the enemy in Iraq, and so on was just about everything that this site wasn’t about.
Frankly, I think that blaming America for 9-11 and demanding American surrender is utterly treasonous and, if we had any balls, it would be dealt with as such.
During the Civil War, one pro-Southern Congressman was exiled from the country. Perhaps we should exile Ron Paul to Iran, given his own sympathies with the murderers of Americans he should get along just fine there.
Ron Paul is an idiot. Tom Tancredo is a conservative.
Go Ron Go !!! Can't wait until Thursday's Press Party!!! Yahoo!!! Go Ron Go !!!
Go Ron Go !!! Can't wait until Thursday's Press Party!!! Yahoo!!! Go Ron Go !!!
Sorry about the double posting... Internet Explorer hiccupped : (
Jimmy had so much confidence in the benevolent power of government that he thought we could dictate to Iran to implement human rights reforms without any repercussions for the Shah (not "shaw"). Jimmy had NO intention of removing the shah, and conservatives have been pointing out for 25 years that Jimmy was completely surprised by the overthrow of the shah.
That mindset is the exact opposite of Ron Paul.
Jimmy pressured the Shah to relax freedom of speech, to allow more freedom for political dissidents, and blocked exports of tear gas and rubber bullets to Iran; Jimmy was also implicated by some commentators in a scandal involving Jimmy Carter demanding financial favours from the Shah.
Despite these movements to increase civil liberties in Iran, Jimmy still called the shah a "wise and valuable leader."
Ron Paul believes that we should not interfere with the internal relations of another state, not force it into our version of a Western Democracy...
Guiliani must be aware that the Saudi prince who attempted to donate $10 million after 9/11 is a first cousin to other Saudi royals whom are known to have financially supported Bin Laden in the years before 9/11. It was Sheuer’s era CIA report, at least the redacted versions, that concluded that information too.
Guiliani just keeps digging the hole.
Ron Paul is in this for the long haul. He is forcing Rudy to play rope a dope.
He said that they hate us because of our policies, not "because of our freedom", as morons like Rudy have stated.
We're not surrendering, but the IED war is UNWINNABLE, and the less of our boys we lose there, the better.
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