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To: kabar

Your increasing use of ad hominems demonstrate that the foundations of your positions rest on shifting sands.

For all of your personal knowledge of Iran, you fail to recognize the one critical factor which led to the fall of the Shah, and that was Jimmy Carter stabbing him in the back, that is established historical fact.

The similarities between Iran and Nazi Germany are not the stuff of bravado or exaggeration, ask Benjamin Netanyahu, he’s in a far better position to explain it to you.

You are attempting to view the Iranian problem much the way that Carter did, without considering the long term ramifications of failing to act when appropriate.

As for nuking Qom, I maintain it is a legitimate target that would provide a taste of REAL terror for the Islamofanatic nutjobs who are all for terrorizing we infidels (that’s you and me bub), but have no idea of what the United States is capable of unleashing upon them.

And what we have should have been unleashed, and long before Iran had thousands of centrifuges spinning on their way to the goal of fully weaponized nuclear material.

Your inability to see reality is (as I see it) based upon your own personal experience in Iran, and you quite frankly don’t want to see a place you used to live in become a place of desolation and destruction and I can understand that, but I have resigned myself long ago to the possibility that the place where I grew up (suburban Maryland outside D.C.) may well cease to exist some day if Islamofascist terrorists successfully manage to get a nuke into the area and set it off as they would love to do.

But nevertheless, you can sneer about me being ‘Walter Mitty’ but in your case I would be more concerned about how the spirit of Neville Chamberlain seems to be occupying more and more of your thoughts.

You want to wait. I say the time for waiting was over long ago. Iran is an increasing threat to both regional and global stability and you damn well know it.

Waiting is no longer the responsible choice, but you may well get your way because I too have doubts that the Bush Administration has the hair left to do what has to be done.


61 posted on 05/23/2007 6:11:45 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: mkjessup
For all of your personal knowledge of Iran, you fail to recognize the one critical factor which led to the fall of the Shah, and that was Jimmy Carter stabbing him in the back, that is established historical fact.

Do you know how Carter stabbed the Shah in the back? I will give you bonus points if you know the answer.

The similarities between Iran and Nazi Germany are not the stuff of bravado or exaggeration, ask Benjamin Netanyahu, he’s in a far better position to explain it to you.

Iran is a third world country. Comparing the threat it poses to the world to Nazi Germany is pure hyperbole.

You are attempting to view the Iranian problem much the way that Carter did, without considering the long term ramifications of failing to act when appropriate.

I am considering the long term ramifications. You really should read the Luttwak article.

Your inability to see reality is (as I see it) based upon your own personal experience in Iran, and you quite frankly don’t want to see a place you used to live in become a place of desolation and destruction and I can understand that, but I have resigned myself long ago to the possibility that the place where I grew up (suburban Maryland outside D.C.) may well cease to exist some day if Islamofascist terrorists successfully manage to get a nuke into the area and set it off as they would love to do.

I live in McLean, VA now.

But nevertheless, you can sneer about me being ‘Walter Mitty’ but in your case I would be more concerned about how the spirit of Neville Chamberlain seems to be occupying more and more of your thoughts.

I am not advocating appeasement. As I have said, the WOT cannot be won without regime change in Iran. We just disagree about to do it. I believe that most Iranians are still pro-American and want to get rid of the mullahs. It is not by accident that the place most Iranians go as part of their great "brain drain" is to Canada and America.

Waiting is no longer the responsible choice, but you may well get your way because I too have doubts that the Bush Administration has the hair left to do what has to be done.

We are not waiting. We have been exhausting the diplomatic route, including economic sanctions. We need to do more covertly and I would like Congress to pass a resolution declaring that regime change is our objective, the same way we did for Iraq. Only, the Iranian people will view it better, i.e., as an expression of support for them to take action. Military action by us is the last resort.

I was in Poland during the days of Solidarnosc'. I can tell you that Reagan's evil empire designation of the Soviet Union was well-received. The Pope and Reagan were viewed as inspirational figures by the Poles. They dedicated a square in Warsaw to Reagan. And the Poles are part of our coalition in Iraq.

63 posted on 05/23/2007 7:02:56 PM PDT by kabar
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To: jveritas

He said hair...


72 posted on 05/24/2007 7:29:32 AM PDT by null and void (Carter calling Bush worst president in U.S. history is like Michael Moore calling Ann Coulter fat...)
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To: mkjessup

The terrorist regime in Tehran will not be allowed to have nuclear weapons. President Bush will not allow it. You can go ahead and doubt the President as much as you want, but he is going to prove you and many wrong, as usual.


74 posted on 05/24/2007 7:32:24 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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