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Useful Hysteria ... Border-Bill Critics Have A Point
NY Post ^ | May 22, 2007 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 05/22/2007 5:10:00 AM PDT by IrishMike

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To: IrishMike
Border-Bill Critics Have A Point

Leave it to an Al Franken admirer to be surprised, lol.

21 posted on 05/22/2007 6:03:19 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Dead Corpse

Good question, and you’re right about the current abuses vs past abuses.


22 posted on 05/22/2007 6:05:02 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (The Republican Party's continued idiocy, proves the TV Series, Lost In Space, was a documentary.)
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To: IrishMike; All
May the "hysteria" swell to a deafening roar in the ears of senators and representatives alike.

May any Republican office holder pay dearly for supporting anything but that which will secure and I do say SECURE the border.

Further, any immigration policy that is passed must have stiffer enforced penalties to businesses who hire illegal immigrants. Dry up what is attracting illegals and they will go home. Screw the argument that we cannot deport them all. WE don't need to deport them all. Just take away the reason for them coming, and they will go away.

23 posted on 05/22/2007 6:05:51 AM PDT by el_texicano (Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots all)
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To: IrishMike
Anti-immigration conservatives

Conservatives are anti-ILLEGAL-immigration.

24 posted on 05/22/2007 6:10:11 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

It is a good question. A lot of people talk tough, but when it comes right down to it... it isn’t an easy thing to do.


25 posted on 05/22/2007 6:13:19 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: IrishMike
America has been the most generous country in the world when it comes to aid and allowing persons to come here for a better life.

I am sick of these illegals who presume upon our generosity and have the gall to EXPECT what they are not entitled to.

The one thing I am not hearing from these treasonous senators is a demand for political reform in Mexico.

Why is it that WE as Americans somehow have this obligation to give these illegals anything?

With any immigration bill, there should be mandates that the Mexican government reform.

Mexico is a wealthy country despite all the misconceptions.

Mexico’s infrastructure is abhorrent. We as Americans can’t even drink the water down their, we will instantly become ill.

Most Mexican cities smell of sewage because of the sub-standard waste disposal system. There environmental standards are that of a developing 3rd world country. Spewing pollution into the air, ground and waterways.

Mexico has oil, precious metals, gems, agriculture, tourism, manufacturing. The wealthy socialist suck the juice of life out of their own country.

In fact, the indigenous people of Mexico are oppressed by those who have a Spanish linage rather than Indian.

Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. Murder, kidnappings, drugs, extortion, bribery, slavery and the like are a daily way of life in this 3rd world country to our south.

26 posted on 05/22/2007 6:15:27 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: IrishMike

I am pro “immigrants that don’t cost 19K net a year”.
I prefer no Islamic immigrants. They are trouble.


27 posted on 05/22/2007 6:17:13 AM PDT by neoken
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To: IrishMike

I think it is time to disband The Senate.
Useless trolls set up to screw the American People, TIMES’ UP.
If it wasn’t for our Ancestors building America these HalfBrained WETBACKS would be still up to their Necks in disease, poverty and ignorance in their beloved MEXICO.

Get a GRIP, GET ‘EM OUT.


28 posted on 05/22/2007 6:19:45 AM PDT by chatham
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To: theDentist

I think your dad is right. This is like the anti-military NO-money-two-month military spending bills that Bush has vetoed recently. “You want an immigration bill?” And then they put every single rotten thing on it they would love, knowing that 1) their names will be seen on it, 2) those who oppose it will be villified and 3) that it will be too outrageous to ever pass.


29 posted on 05/22/2007 6:20:45 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: IrishMike

>>a disaster of Biblical proportions.<<

Do you remember these lines from Ghostbusters?

“Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, “biblical”?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath-of-God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria.”

And...
“It’s true, that man has no d**k.”


30 posted on 05/22/2007 6:32:01 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
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To: Dead Corpse

When the time comes (and it might), I can and will pick up a weapon in defense of my country against my government. But it’s not something I would relish or look forward to.


31 posted on 05/22/2007 6:33:11 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (The Republican Party's continued idiocy, proves the TV Series, Lost In Space, was a documentary.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
We've been saying "when the time comes" for the better part of a decade now.

"If not now, when? If not us, who?"

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.

[T]he people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate. Power being almost always the rival of power, the general government will at all times stand ready to check the usurpations of the state governments, and these will have the same disposition towards the general government. The people by throwing themselves into either scale, will infallibly make it preponderate. If their rights are invaded by either, they can make use of the other as the instrument of redress. How wise will it be in them by cherishing the union to preserve to themselves an advantage which can never be too highly prized! Hamilton Federalist #28

Time to pick a scale and get to correcting...

32 posted on 05/22/2007 6:36:55 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: MarkL

We should demand the same immigration policy as Mexico has. How could Mexico complain? (Silly me, of course they will anyway.)


33 posted on 05/22/2007 6:51:18 AM PDT by asp1
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To: Dead Corpse
I keep thinking about that family of 12 illegals that burned up in a house fire in a decrepit neighborhood of NYC. O'Reilly was furious, but most of the NYC and DC elite don't see clearly. They drive by the bad neighborhoods plagued by crime and bad schools to their penthouse offices where they pontificate about bigotry and zenophobia. They believe the Big Apple bs, even though there are 3 rats in NYC for every human.

I am offended that this self-appointed elite tolerates such slum conditions in America. I do not think it is a fit place to live, and in their benevolence I do not think they are offering illegals anything worth having. They keep saying that illegals are hard working families, but I always refused to raise my family in NYC and, as far as I am concerned, it is not good enough for nice people. I know that all of us are diminished when we allow such abasement of rights to continue. If illegals would be even worse off going home, that is outside my control. But filling tennements with illegals so landlords can collect rents on homes that should be demolished and pseudo teachers can have jobs where they don't teach, and medium income people have servants is just base corruption.

34 posted on 05/22/2007 7:05:24 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: IrishMike

There’s a big difference between hysteria and indignation. John is just another elite that has become disconnected with the people of this country. His logic comes from a dependence on input from his own circle, a form of inbred thought.


35 posted on 05/22/2007 7:14:40 AM PDT by blueheron2 (Freepin' in the Bluegrass)
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To: ClaireSolt
Bad neighborhoods and low income housing have been around since time began. Generations living in the same poverty in the US is something new and is a direct result of too much government.

My parents parents were poor. My parents we able to better that by quite a bit. Now I'm finding it increasingly difficult to get ahead partially because of all the road blocks the government puts in the way.

This trend cannot continue. If it does, our country will collapse. Not an "if" anymore, it's a "when".

36 posted on 05/22/2007 7:14:48 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: IrishMike

“Anti-immigration conservatives”

It’s anti ILLEGAL ALIEN John. Get it right.


37 posted on 05/22/2007 7:20:49 AM PDT by Grunthor
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To: asp1
"More illegals to do the jobs that American citizens, old and new, won’t do."

Bush constantly insults our intelligence when he says such things as:

1)"The Religions of Peace".

The bastards want to kill us all and they have said so.

2) "Job's Americans won't do."

Many of the people in my rather rural area make their living doing the jobs Americans won't do.

Bush is an elitist, condescending politician. He's just a little more polite than most.

38 posted on 05/22/2007 7:27:27 AM PDT by EEDUDE (The more I know, the less I understand...)
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To: asp1
Don’t these idiots realize that once we make these present illegals legal that the new “citizens” will demand at least the minimum wage, health benefits, Social Security etc., etc. They will stop being a cheap source of labor

Not to mention that most of these idiots are greenies, and the new citizens will soon consume their fair share of energy. So meeting those stoopid carbon reduction goals will be doubly hard, won't it?

39 posted on 05/22/2007 7:30:00 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: IrishMike; All

Thought you might enjoy my email exchange with Podhoretz.

“Which of course, didn’t address my point now, did it?
-—— Original Message -——
From: John Podhoretz
To: Dynachrome
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: 5/22 column on amnesty bille

Charm will get you everywhere
.

On May 22, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Dynachrome wrote:

From your column today:

“Anti-immigration conservatives are the most vocal people in the country “

It is anti-ILLEGAL immigration you lying piece of crap!”


40 posted on 05/22/2007 7:49:25 AM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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