Grand Jury: Cities Should Have Immigration Checks(Orange County, CA)

Orange County Register ^ | May 21, 2007 | PEGGY LOWE and SARAH TULLY

[kellynla]

SANTA ANA– All of Orange County's large cities should follow the sheriff's department lead and train officers to do immigration checks in their jails, a grand jury said today.

In a report on Sheriff Mike Carona's new program that partnered with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the panel said the cities of Anaheim, Santa Ana, Huntington Beach, Irvine, Orange, Fullerton and Garden Grove should have similar plans.

Carona won approval for his plan from the Board of Supervisors in March, although many civil rights groups were opposed to it because they feared it would lead to racial profiling.

Under an agreement with ICE, 14 deputies were trained to check the immigration status of inmates using federal databases. The plan also allows deputies to create a file on a foreign national and notify federal authorities that the inmate should be detained and possibly deported.

Costa Mesa already has one full-time federal ICE agent in its jail, which was spearheaded by Mayor Allan Mansoor after the sheriff's plan became public.

Anaheim has had a part-time federal agent since January, thanks in part to the sheriff's plan freeing up ICE agents, who had been working in the county jails. Police Chief John Welter, in a March memo, said he doesn't believe the city needs a full time agent because the current part-time officer is seeing the majority of people arrested by Anaheim officers.

Anaheim Councilman Harry Sidhu said he supports Welter's report and believes the system currently in place is working.

"I feel pretty confident that the amount of traffic we have in our city, our ICE agent is doing a fine job in our jail," he said.

But Eileen Garcia, an anti-illegal immigration activist, liked the grand jury's report,

[kellynla]

All illegal aliens should be deported including incarcerated illegals. Why should American taxpayers pay to incarcerate other countries' criminals. It's not like we are short on criminals and long on prison cells. After securing BOTH borders, by deporting the incarcerated illegals we will not only reduce our prison costs but will also open up slots for AMERICAN criminals who are roaming about the country unabated.

[kellynla]

ping

[Jim Robinson]

Bump!

[mtbopfuyn]

many civil rights groups were opposed to it because they feared it would lead to racial profiling

Oh, now isn't that interesting. So these civil rights groups admit there might not be several dozen Swedish illegals residing in local jails? Sounds kind of racist on their part.

[EagleUSA]

...many civil rights groups were opposed to it because they feared it would lead to racial profiling...
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What a crock. Mexicans are Mexicans and the vast majority of them look like Mexicans. Civil rights only apply to CITIZENS. Not foreign criminals.

[zerosix]

Oh, would someone please tell me if we now have more than three races? I have always believed, according to my education, we have only three races in the human species.

Are we now to believe, like sex (formerly two sexes, now we have five), we have "invented" more races, so that the "new race - Hispanic, or is it Latino, is but another race that cannot be "profilled against"; only whites can NEVER be "racially profiled."

[kellynla]

The chart below shows, among other things, that in those industries that employ illegals the MAJORITY of the jobs are held by....GASP!...AMERICANS.

That puts a HUGE HOLE in Bush's claim that illegals are doing jobs Americans won't do.

It also shows, as Bush has claimed, that more than a million illegals a year have been deported since Bush took office.

Well if they can deport 6 million, they can double their efforts and deport 12 million. Lastly, after BOTH borders have been secured, all illegals should be deported including the incarcerated.

Why should Americans pay to incarcerate other countries' criminals. It's not like we don't have enough American criminals to incarcerate.

And by deporting the foreign incarcerated in American prisons we not only lower our prison costs but we open up slots for AMERICAN criminals who are now roaming about the country unabated.

The 2008 Conservative Revolution has started! Now all we need is a CONSERVATIVE to lead the revolution. Because we are in danger of not only losing our two party system but our sovereignty.

It is time for CONSERVATIVES to take back the GOP and the time is NOW!

[Brad’s Gramma]

That’s my Sheriff BTTT!!!! :)

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Every traffic stop:

Drivers License, proof of insurance.

So how is it, police don’t already know who’s not legal?

We’re not handing out drivers licenses to illegals yet, despite the efforts of One-bill Gil. So they can’t show one.

Call the I.C.E., then and there.

Why wait until they’re in prison?

Check everyone. If I have to provide my own license and proof of insurance at DUI checkpoints as a citizen, then people who aren’t even supposed to BE HERE, can jolly well demonstrate their legal status whenever they’re stopped for a ticket.

Not here legally?

Send the driver home. Impound the car.

Sorry, but it’s the way every country in the world does things.

Including Mexico, it might be noted...

[Enterprise]

"All of Orange County's large cities should follow the sheriff's department lead and train officers to do immigration checks in their jails, a grand jury said today."

Long long overdue, and for the WHOLE DAMNED STATE!!!!!!!

[stephenjohnbanker]

B T T T

[janetgreen]

Wait until the truth is known about the NAU agreement that Bush, Fox and Martin signed in secrecy. Everything for Mexico, nada for America.

I urge everyone to contact their Senators and Reps about this NAU, and ask them how three people from three different countries can secretly decide, without the knowledge of the American people, the destiny of our country. We're being sold out, and few of us have anyone representing us.

[sageb1]

Great chart. I suggest posting it frequently.

[TBP]

We should put those who employ illegals in jail and cut off all beenfits to illegals. Millions would self-deport.

We know where at least 9.5 million of them are: there are that many Socia Security numbers in teh system that don’t match the name.

[mtbopfuyn]

Yes, if society can’t arbitrarily change the meaning of “race” then there’s nothing to back up some folks’ arguments. Just like “gay” doesn’t mean happy anymore, “race” means anything from ancestral origin to how big your fourth toe on your left foot is. They bring up profiling because there’s absolutely no other argument to make their stand. Illegally crossing the border is a crimminal act, plain and simple. There’s nothing to support their argument there so they have to twist other insignifcant ideals such as this broad, though erroneous, definition of “race” around, no matter if it makes any sense whatsoever.

[zerosix]

I got in at least one "discussion" with a member of the "vast brain-dead Americans" among us over the meaning of "illegal" when it came to crossing the border. The "brain-dead American" stated that "it wasn't a crime but 'merely a misdemeanor' to come across the border without permission" and I said that a misdemeanor is still a crime, though not a felony. I explained that many people are not actually jailed on misdemeanors unless they flaunt the law by not appearing in court. At that time, I said, should the perp not appear in court as ordered, the judge usually orders jail time. Should the perp happen to appear in court, they are ordered to return to their home country. Failing to to do then becomes a felony.

I said that the felonies began to be committed first for failing to return, then by using stolen documents to work, get driver's licenses, etc.

Under those conditions, one applying for a visa, green card, etc. would be refused as they are felons and may not enter the U.S. under any conditions.

Pres. Bush, the dimocRATS, and the RINOcRATS are declaring that felons do not need ever to be punished for their crimes, so long and especially if they are illegal aliens. This is perverting the entire Constitution -- when the rest of us in society see this happening on such a massive scale (12/20 million) then why would we ever have respect for ANY law? Anarchy ensues. Total meltdown occurs.

[gubamyster]

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[Sovernity]

Senator....

I have been a vice president in a Real Estate Trust and for a major United States bank. Also, a United States Naval Officer.

If I or any of my peers presented a policy package even remotely like your COMPREHENSIVE immigration policy....you would have been fired on the spot, given no retirement benefits and escorted out the door by a security guard. As far as the military arena,,,,you would have been laughed at and chatised daily with impunity in officers mess.

We do not want a Great Society 2 with some latin Lord Jims spitting on us and estorting our money that will flow down a rat hole like Great Society 1.

This is a pivotal issue with most Americans.....this is close to us like THE FLAG.

Screw immigration. It is such a mess. Just enforce the laws, fire that dumb butt Chertoff and get a Coast Guard General in there who knows what the hell he is doing and PROTECT AMERICANS.

See the attached article....have all your polictical ilk handlers read it....you will be screwed by the immigrants who could care less about being American...they just are greedy and want money, benefits, welfare etc.....and free health care...and let know one kid you....Just look at Los Angeles, sanctuary city nightmare, graffitti, crime, gangs, drugs, female explotation, corrupt poicticans, virtual racial anarchy before your eyes, the worst public schools in AMerica next to Jeb Bush’s paradise Miami. DO YOU WANT ALL OUR CITIES TO BE like LA and MIAMI with disgusting and corrupt leaders.....you are aware Miami has the most CASH money in circulation in United States and it is estimated 40% of Los Angeles’ economy is a CASH economy.

Wake Up....

From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:04 a.m. EDT
Immigration Bill Favors Democrats: Studies

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This article was written by Fred Lucas, staff writer at CNSNews.com

If the immigration reform bill currently under consideration becomes law, it could lead to major political realignment favoring the Democratic Party, studies suggest.

Although the Republican Party seemed to be gaining ground among Hispanic voters in 2004, it lost that momentum in the 2006 election, dropping from 40 percent of the Hispanic vote to 30 percent, according to exit polling data in a study by James G. Gimpel, a government professor at the University of Maryland.

Even in the 2002 mid-term elections Republican candidates got 38 percent of the Hispanic vote, the study said.

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If the current proposal in the Senate to bestow limited legal status on approximately 12 million illegal immigrants in the country passes, within 10 years the Democratic Party would likely see a sizable increase in its voter rolls, according to Gimpel, who is also editor of the journal American Politics Research.

“This will shrink the GOP percentage of Latinos rather than enlarge it,” Gimpel told Cybercast News Service. “A vast majority of this population learn their politics as Democrats. Why? Because they’re poor. There are not a lot of skilled workers and not a lot of educated workers.”

But others contend that immigrants would not leave their values at the border.

“Hispanic immigrants are very conservative on social issue and entrepreneurial and conservative on fiscal issues,” Pedro Celis, national chairman of the Republican National Hispanic Assembly, said in an interview.

The Senate bill would provide conditional visas to illegal immigrants requiring a criminal background check on those already here, institute a temporary worker program, and give priority to immigrants with education and some English skills rather than to those claiming family ties.

The professor’s study concluded that if Republicans want to make inroads into the Hispanic community, “accelerating the flow of mass immigration is not only the wrong course of action, but it may stand directly opposed to what is necessary to make gains.”

Specifically, the political landscape could see major shifts in solidly Republican states such as Texas, Georgia and North Carolina, which already have large immigrant populations, Gimpel said. At a minimum, that would make these states far more competitive.

“Purple states will become blue, and the blue states will become even more blue,” he predicted.

Democrats attracted 69 percent of the Hispanic vote last year as the party took control of the House and Senate for the first time in 12 years, according to a Pew Hispanic Center study on voting patterns.

That’s a sizable increase from the 58 percent of the Hispanic vote the Democrats secured in 2004 and the 61 percent it got in 2002.

“Generally speaking, Hispanics are conservative on social issue,” said Gabriel Escobar of the Pew Hispanic Center in a statement. “However, there are often wide differences among Hispanics depending on nativity, education, and other factors. U.S.-born Latinos are not as conservative as their foreign-born counterparts, for example.”

A Pew 2004 survey of Hispanics showed 52 percent believe abortion should be illegal in most or all cases, while 42 percent believe it should be legal in most or all cases.

At the same time, Hispanic voters surveyed were split 45 percent to 45 percent on whether the government should pass a constitutional ban on homosexual marriage. The rest were undecided.

Furthermore, 48 percent of respondents in the Pew survey said the U.S. government made the wrong decision going to war in Iraq compared to 39 percent who agreed with the move.

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Ultimately, however, Hispanic respondents said none of those issues would define who they chose to vote for. Most put an emphasis on jobs, education and health care when weighing their vote.

“The dominant interest among these folks is economic interests,” Gimpel said. “They are concerned about their basic needs.”

Still, Celis is optimistic that Republicans could easily succeed in reaching out to the immigrant population.

“These are not people predisposed to vote Democratic from their values,” Celis said. “If they vote Democrat, it will be because they perceive the Republican Party as anti-immigrant. It’s not automatic. What they do depends on what the parties do to reach out.”

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[Osage Orange]

We’re not handing out drivers licenses to illegals yet, .............

Yes we are....handing DL's to illegals.

Generally all it takes is a SSI card...and those are a dime a dozen.

Doesn't mean they are going to have insurance though. My auto insurance guy told me not long ago....1 in 4 drivers in OK...do NOT have auto insurance.

Don't know how many are illegals....

[kellynla]

Well since you have been in involved in R.E., I’m sure I don’t have to inform you of the vast amounts of R.E. that has been purchased by illegals in California. And mortgage banks, savings & loans, R.E. brokers & sales people and EVERYONE in the industry have ALL been enablers in the corruption.