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Sorry, Mark, but no godless, communistic, animalistic, ideology is going to produce this kind of society:

How many times do I have to say we need a moral society? When God brings people to a moral viewpoint it is great. I have no problem with the government reflecting the morality of the people that created it.

People have to bring morality to the table of self government. The government can not force people to be moral, once force comes into play, morals are gone in my opinion. People have to be good and obey the law because they want to.

Your attempted character assassination of what I am saying by linking it to some sort of "godless, communistic, animalistic, ideology" is just a lot of garbage. I was speaking in general terms that were inclusive of the part religion played in the development of our society. How many time can I say it? We need to be moral, and that includes respecting the rights and property of others. We need to realize that rights are merely concepts, rules of the game, and the game can be easily cheated. This is why the Founding Fathers said our rights were inherent, [God was crossed out and replaced with Creator.] and set up limits upon the government to try to prevent the government from ignoring our rights.

Just as people have to find it in their hearts to accept the Lord, they must find it in their hearts to want to live by the rules, to lead a moral life, not because they are forced or bribed to, but simply because they want to.

People doing the right thing simply because the want to, is one of the frameworks of a solid prosperous society, not the only framework.

Abortion is wrong because it does not respect the rights that we share with all people, I am including the little one in the womb as a person. These rights are never conferred upon the little guy, they are just recognized as being there by definition. You know, inherent.

The government can not force people to be moral,

1 Peter

13Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. 16Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. 17Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.

"The day of our nation's birth in that little hall in Philadelphia, [was] a day on which debate had raged for hours. The men gathered there were honorable men hard-pressed by a king who had flouted the very laws they were willing to obey. Even so, to sign the Declaration of Independence was such an irretrievable act that the walls resounded with the words 'treason, the gallows, the headsman's axe,' and the issue remained in doubt. [On that day] 56 men, a little band so unique we have never seen their like since, had pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. Some gave their lives in the war that followed, most gave their fortunes, and all preserved their sacred honor... In recent years, however, I've come to think of that day as more than just the birthday of a nation. It also commemorates the only true philosophical revolution in all history. Oh, there have been revolutions before and since ours. But those revolutions simply exchanged one set of rules for another. Ours was a revolution that changed the very concept of government. Let the Fourth of July always be a reminder that here in this land, for the first time, it was decided that man is born with certain God-given rights; that government is only a convenience created and managed by the people, with no powers of its own except those voluntarily granted to it by the people. We sometimes forget that great truth, and we never should." - Ronald Wilson Reagan

"May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God. These are grounds of hope for others. For ourselves, let the annual return of this day forever refresh our recollections of these rights, and an undiminished devotion to them." - Thomas Jefferson