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Rudy Abandons Hypocrisy, Clarifies the Abortion Issue for Pro-life Voters
Townhall.com ^ | 5/18/07 | Marjorie Dannenfelser

Posted on 05/18/2007 5:59:32 PM PDT by wagglebee

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Giuliani is not the first American politician to try and finesse a sticky moral issue. His now-abandoned position on abortion was eerily reminiscent of the position on slavery adopted by Abraham Lincoln’s political adversary Sen. Stephen A. Douglas of Illinois. Like Giuliani on abortion, Douglas professed his personal opposition to slavery. In the celebrated Lincoln-Douglas debates in 1858, the “Little Giant,” as Douglas was known, repeatedly asserted his personal revulsion for slavery, calling the institution immoral. Yet, as Lincoln pointed out, Douglas’s personal opposition to slavery, while undoubtedly sincere, was irrelevant when it came to public policy.

This is a perfect comparison!

1 posted on 05/18/2007 5:59:35 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 05/18/2007 6:00:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 05/18/2007 6:00:58 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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This nails Rooty!


4 posted on 05/18/2007 6:01:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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5 posted on 05/18/2007 6:02:42 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
This nails Rooty!

A slave was 3/5ths human.

And a fetus is something less than human that we consider its viability in allowing it to be hoovered out of the womb.

Both viewpoints are ways to justify horrific acts against humans. As Herman Hesse said in the twenties, we understand less and less what it means to be human, and men are shot wholesale as a result. And now, we also abort children wholesale.

6 posted on 05/18/2007 6:06:07 PM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: wagglebee

Dump him!


7 posted on 05/18/2007 6:08:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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And the pro-abortionists who support the notion that Roe v. Wade is “settled” law because the Supreme Court made the ruling seem to want to avoid talking about such gems as the Dred Scott Decision and Plessy v. Ferguson.


8 posted on 05/18/2007 6:09:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rooty is self-destructing even faster and more dramatically than Howie Dean in 2004.


9 posted on 05/18/2007 6:11:02 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Plessy v. Ferguson.

It's funny how stare decisis is a bad thing with Plessy but a good thing with Roe.

10 posted on 05/18/2007 6:12:07 PM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: wagglebee

Rudy is a liberal chameleon. Forget him for America’s sake.


11 posted on 05/18/2007 6:13:16 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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How does one “abandon” hypocrisy?

Once you are one, it isn’t abandoned. Rooty has proved that.


12 posted on 05/18/2007 6:13:20 PM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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Rooty doesn't really give a rats ass about the abortion issue. He believes the Constitution grants a woman the right to kill her unborn child. Rooty is a despicable and repugnant creature. He's a liberal and has nothing in common with either Lincoln or Reagan.

On abortion Reagan wrote:

"Our nation-wide policy of abortion on demand through all nine months of pregnancy was neither voted for by our people, nor enacted by our legislators--not a single state had such unrestricted abortion before the Supreme Court decreed it to be national policy in 1973. [It was] an act of raw judicial power"...

"Make no mistake, abortion-on-demand is not a right granted by the Constitution. Nowhere do the plain words of the Constitution even hint at a "right" so sweeping as to permit abortion up to the time the child is ready to be born."

"We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life--the unborn--without diminishing the value of all human life."

"Abraham Lincoln recognized that we could not survive as a free land when some men could decide that others were not fit to be free and should therefore be slaves. Likewise, we cannot survive as a free nation when some men decide that others are not fit to live and should be abandoned to abortion or infanticide. My Administration is dedicated to the preservation of America as a free land, and there is no cause more important for preserving that freedom than affirming the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have any meaning."

~~~ President Ronald Reagan, Abortion and the Conscience of the Nation, 1983

13 posted on 05/18/2007 6:14:25 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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It has not nominated a pro-abortion candidate since 1980.

What?

14 posted on 05/18/2007 6:14:31 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Oops, Reagan was in ‘80.


15 posted on 05/18/2007 6:15:30 PM PDT by FreeReign
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Rooty doesn't really give a rats ass about the abortion issue.

Actually, with all due respect, that is not correct. I'd have a bit easier time with Rudy if he was indifferent to the issue.

But he's not. He was militant pro-abort as mayor. If you are truly against abortion, you don't address NARAL. Twice. You don't get perfect ratings from NARAL and Planned Parenthood, something Dingy Harry Reid has not accomplished.

The problem is, Rudy is beyond pro-choice. He even thinks Margaret Sanger is worthy of praise.

16 posted on 05/18/2007 6:18:05 PM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: FreeReign; Jim Robinson

Obviously, the author made a mistake and should have said 1976. However, we are not permitted to alter the contents of the article.


17 posted on 05/18/2007 6:20:19 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Now question him on gun control and continue to watch his campaign gain speed circling the drain.


18 posted on 05/18/2007 6:27:37 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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It is a perfect comparison. While Rudy may have attempted to finesse the issue, was there ever any real doubt about his pro-choice position?


19 posted on 05/18/2007 6:34:01 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag! Mitt Romney for President '08)
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Why does the Republican Party keep moving left when the base shows them that it wants them to move right? If he ran as a dem he’d be right there with hillary and kerry.


20 posted on 05/18/2007 6:40:21 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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