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1 posted on 05/18/2007 9:07:00 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: Jakarta ex-pat

I wonder if Dawkins is a democrat?..


47 posted on 05/18/2007 9:35:06 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Jakarta ex-pat
...that flatly denies the existence of God and illustrates what a destructive force religion is.

OK, but what does the second part have to do with the first part? Big Religions with their fear-based belief systems and horifying imagery - all projections of the collective human ego - really don't have anything to do with the existence of a Creator or the belief therein. There are many people who believe in God, find that faith life-affirming and real, and at the same time have no use for the current crop of rent-seekers and divisive hate-peddlers who operate in His name and quote moldy, mistranslated, and misunderstood tomes to justify their actions.

Not everyone loves God against human beings.

49 posted on 05/18/2007 9:39:08 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Jakarta ex-pat

Yes, Atheism- the bet of a lifetime- Yup- I’ll throw away the ONLY chance EVER of spending time with God and wager my soul’s eternal existence on the slight chance that there might not be a God- BRILLIANT!

Are these Atheist people complete idiots? Hey Atheists- When you can explain to me what I’ve lost by acceptign a FREE gift from God that will have eternal consequences for my soul, and when you can detail exactly how denying God is a more sure bet in the face of the uncertain prospect of eternity, then Yall come on back- till then- Keep your moronic reasoning to yourself.


50 posted on 05/18/2007 9:39:50 AM PDT by CottShop
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To: Jakarta ex-pat
I'll be glad to watch this... thanks....

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However.... IMHO...

1. Dawkins is serving up a whole lot of warmed over Nietzchke... Likewise Sam Harris, et als... There is nothing new under the sun!

2. Dawkins keeps trying to prove-- at least "preach" the certainty of a negative...
IOW, he is trying to convince the world:
There is no________ [God!]

The mental gymnastics of this "proving a negative" have been long-recognized; and remains today a philosophical and scientific absurdity!

One might simply and legitimately inquire whether or not the existence of "the negative" alas "proved" by Dawkins' own rants and railings are simply yet beyond the scope of his human experience.

I haven't yet heard any of the neo-militant atheist crowd try to claim their own omniscience... (Only their supposed superior reason and intellect!?)

Hmmmm.... What then could be their motive$ -- to $ell a lot of book$.. and make a lot of $peeches for large $ums??

3. What if...
Despite their sophistry, "superior intellect" and articulate philosophical arguments, they are simply wrong --
AND.... The LORD -- the God of the Bible is the Sovereign of all Creation?? -- and Jesus Christ of Nazareth the only begotten Son?... And the Holy Spirit remains Present on the earth in this day to instruct our souls in the knowledge of the Eternal One??

What then have they chosen for an eternal destiny -- biblically speaking??

And even more relevant -- How many others have they stumbled into a similar dismal and eternal error??

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A FEW THOUGHTS -- QUITE CONTRARY TO DAWKINS' LINE OF REASONING! ISAIAH 45:5-7

I am the LORD, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God.
I will strengthen you,
though you have not acknowledged me,

so that from the rising of the sun
to the place of its setting
men may know there is none besides me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other.

I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.

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PSALM 53:1-2

The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, and their ways are vile;
there is no one who does good.

God looks down from heaven
on the sons of men
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.

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ISAIAH 55:9-10

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the LORD.

“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

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The man with an experience -- is not at the mercy of the man with an argument.

Keep seeking...

55 posted on 05/18/2007 9:45:55 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The answers remain available; Wisdom is obtained by asking all the right questions!)
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I believe he confuses acts done in the name of God with actual acts of God.

When I am told how much of a destructive force religion can be, I often agree. But religion is a man-made concept, and actions taken in the name of religion are not necessarily going to be in line with the desires of the deity or deities being worshiped.

Free will can have some rather unfortunate results, but I wouldn’t trade it for the world.

58 posted on 05/18/2007 9:52:22 AM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Jakarta ex-pat

Fundamentalist Atheism (the absolute belief that you can and have proved there is no God) is the most irrationally act of religious faith there is


67 posted on 05/18/2007 10:03:26 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Al-Qaidacrats =A new political party combining the anti American left and the anti Semite right)
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To: Jakarta ex-pat
. . .thoroughly researched. . .

Bovine excrement! Dawkins fails to even engage any classical theological position. If he had throroughly researched his subject, he'd have to have engaged the classical position of God as simple being. Instead he seems to assume that the imbecilities of his opponents in the creation/evolution debate who have misunderstood complexity theory in their formulation of ID are representive of theism in general.

He also doesn't seem to have done much research on the effects of atheism when it is adopted as an official position by a state.

72 posted on 05/18/2007 10:12:11 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: gcruse

Feel the love...


78 posted on 05/18/2007 10:29:19 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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One good that might have come from not having Christians found the United States is that Dawkins would not have been able to write his atheist screed and that no one could otherwise have read it.


91 posted on 05/18/2007 11:14:49 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Jakarta ex-pat
And every Bible basher, Torah toter and Koran carrier calling the ABC to complain.

This sentence doesn't make sense. Why would a Bible "basher" complain? Did he mean to say "Bible thumper"?

94 posted on 05/18/2007 11:28:13 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008 (or Fred Thompson if he ever makes up his mind))
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Later read maybe pingout.


101 posted on 05/18/2007 12:24:22 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for the truth will know the truth.)
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Dawkins is a scientist and passionate atheist who has produced a stunning, thoroughly researched and expertly executed work that flatly denies the existence of God and illustrates what a destructive force religion is.

:::rolls eyes:::

123 posted on 05/18/2007 1:24:40 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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(how you can offend people with truth is beyond me)

Just ask the hard-core homos that were on DU after Jerry Falwell died. They'll explain it to you.

130 posted on 05/18/2007 1:55:47 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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Boy! This video is hard to find on the Internet. Someone is active, taking it off sites. BUT, here it is..., at least for a while...

http://www.veoh.com/series/rootofallevil

It’s in two parts. You can download it and play it (as probably) a flash video file. I’m downloading it now.

Have fun!


133 posted on 05/18/2007 2:21:12 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Jakarta ex-pat

Dawkins biggest flaw is this. He believes in evolution, which places homo sapiens on the earth for 30,000+ years. He claims that religion has been the cause of most wars.

Christianity has been around for 2 thousand years, and Judaism has been around for 5,000 years. (6000 years since Adam)

Apparently, for 25,000 years, there was nothing but peace among men. According to all historical record, before Christianity and Judaism, there has been conflict.

He could argue that there were more primitive religions before that. I would submit atheism existed first, if man did not come from Adam and Eve, because if God is the invention of man, then there was a time that the concept of God did not exist.

So then, either atheism is the originator of conflict, and responsible for more years of conflict, or man has only been around for a few thousand years, and there is another reason for conflict.

I submit that wars are caused by weak leaders instilling fear in the ignorant for personal benefit, and strong leaders responding to that poor manipulation. Religion has been used to give the follower the hope of justification.

However, there have been times when the godly have been motivated to destroy evil. I suspect though, that hte number of holy challenges are fewer than human self-centered conflict.


135 posted on 05/18/2007 2:31:50 PM PDT by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - Ann Coulter is My Press Secretary)
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(how you can offend people with truth is beyond me).

Oh, it's done everyday...in spades.

152 posted on 05/18/2007 8:29:24 PM PDT by stboz
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“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)


154 posted on 05/18/2007 9:14:23 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Vote Hillary in '08 - let's restore America's silverware to the White House.)
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There is no tiptoeing in fear of "offending" anyone (how you can offend people with truth is beyond me).

Pretty ironic as that is exactly how atheists respond when presented the truth....offended. And then some run off to make movies of this sort. /shrug

160 posted on 05/19/2007 12:11:44 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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Dawkins is a scientist and passionate atheist who has produced a stunning, thoroughly researched and expertly executed work that flatly denies the existence of God and illustrates what a destructive force religion is.

Dawkins, and the rest of the world, should get on their knees and thank the good Lord that I'm not the man I would have been without Christ.

He is correct in one sense. Religion isn't the answer, faith is.
164 posted on 05/19/2007 5:12:21 AM PDT by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
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