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What Do Muslims Think?
The American Interest / Able2know.com ^ | May/June 2007 | Amir Taheri

Posted on 05/17/2007 5:39:21 AM PDT by Valin

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1 posted on 05/17/2007 5:39:26 AM PDT by Valin
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To: nuconvert

Hat Tip.


2 posted on 05/17/2007 5:40:26 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Valin

They think? I thought they had to ask an imam what to think.


3 posted on 05/17/2007 5:41:26 AM PDT by britemp
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To: Valin

This, of course, pre-supposes the gift of convergent synapses.


4 posted on 05/17/2007 5:41:38 AM PDT by sono (TITVS PVLLO in MMVIII - Paid for by the Aventine Collegium for Pullo)
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To: Valin

5 posted on 05/17/2007 5:41:55 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: britemp

Not to sound too alarmist, but I’m surprised so few are aware of what’s happening:

Turning Muslim in Texas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEQh1mc6j38

And

Turning Muslim in Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiXYlO4Fbzk&mode=related&search=


6 posted on 05/17/2007 5:45:57 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: britemp

If you want to know what Muslims think, just ask a Democrat. They have to ask their union leaders, plantation masters, and moveon.org what to think.


7 posted on 05/17/2007 5:50:53 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: Valin
Well, the second question was the wrong question.

It should have been “Do muslims believe their’s is the one and only religion and they should follow the Qu’ran?”

All answers will flow from a simple “Yes” or “No”. Since we know the answer is “Yes” then we also know that they support the terrorists by their inaction.

8 posted on 05/17/2007 5:53:34 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: britemp

My goodness you sureare a fast reader.


9 posted on 05/17/2007 5:53:48 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Now that you’ve shown everyone what a great wit you have, maybe you’d like to read and comment on the article.


10 posted on 05/17/2007 5:55:13 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Valin

We can’t fix what’s wrong with them by force. We cannot deal with them on the same basis and in the same terms we do with other nations or cultures. If we deal with them at all, it needs to be at arm’s lenght and they need to be kept isolated. I know we have a history and tradition of allowing freedom of religion, but letting them come here and set up mosques is like letting the Chinese buy land on American soil and set up military bases.


11 posted on 05/17/2007 6:02:00 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

We cannot deal with them on the same basis and in the same terms we do with other nations or cultures. If we deal with them at all, it needs to be at arm’s lenght and they need to be kept isolated.

That is exactly what we’ve done in the past (deal with the Islamic world as “The Other). This is wrong, as it only provides more ammo for the radicals to show the it’s “Us against Them”. Besides the world has become to small and interconnected place to allow such a large part of humanity to live in a cultural black hole. (See Tom Barnetts “The Pentagon’s New Map”)


12 posted on 05/17/2007 6:14:38 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: britemp

I quit reading at the first sentence/question.

Part of the Islamofacist political takeover philosophy is to lie to infidels.

So why ask questions?


13 posted on 05/17/2007 6:17:00 AM PDT by gdaddy (Stop Illegal Immigration, No Expedited Path to Citizenship)
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To: CarrotAndStick
I'll have to watch the rest of that later as I'm about to go off to work. Thanks for posting it. Looks very interesting.
14 posted on 05/17/2007 6:17:16 AM PDT by Jason_b
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To: Valin

What is Islam based on?

Mohammed went into “trances” and fits (like epileptic fits) when he was given the “word of God” and would shout out what he was told. These would be written down by his followers. This is the makeup of the Koran.

When Mohammed was just walking and talking and acting like “normal”, his words and deeds were written down by his followers and this went into the Hadith. Now, acting “normal” for Mohammed was taking 12+ wives (including a 6 year old), taking slaves (including sex slaves), executing infidels, conducting raids for treasure, etc.

Now, this is where it gets complicated.

A large part of the words he spoke in trances were “taken back” by Mohammed. He determined them to be the work of the devil (thus they are called the “Satanic Verses” and these are the same verses that Mr. Salman Rushdie got in trouble for writing about).

Now, how Mohammed determined which verses were from God and which were from Satan I do not know.

Also, there were literally dozens of widely different versions of the Koran and Hadith floating around for several hundred years after Mohammed death until a Fatwah was decreed to destroy all but one version. Now, even Mohammed could not remember what he was told by God and forgot it (those are his words as written in the Hadith) so I do not know how the powers in charge decided which was the correct version.

Also according to the Hadith, Mohammed turned people into monkeys, you can determine a child’s sex depending on whether the male or female has an orgasm first (that advice came directly from the Angel Gabriel), dogs and cats are evil and should be killed, that the devil lives in your nose at night (and how to get rid of him in the morning), chess is forbidden, muslims have one intestine while infidels have seven, don’t pray looking up or your eyes will be snatched away, that one wing of a fly is poison but the other is the cure, that drinking camel urine is good for you and I could go on.

And that Mohammed himself didn’t even know if he was going to heaven. If even Mohammed doesn’t know, what chance does the average muslim have?

And for some non-PC info, Mohammed was described as a white man.

Now, if you can bear it, to compare to the Gospels of New Testament.

Jesus was someone who lived a very humble life and was killed for basically saying he was a King and Son of God (blasphemy) by the powers in charge (Roman and Jewish). The government wanted Jesus destroyed and wanted his growing movement destroyed (as it threatened their power). If, after 3 days, the followers of Jesus proclaimed he has risen from the dead, (just as he predicted), and is truly our Savior, the High Officials would have wanted to destroy such a “myth.” They could have easily done this by producing the dead body of Jesus and saying “Your Messiah is still dead and so is your movement” or producing many eye witnesses of the dead Jesus. But they couldn’t.

The letters that make up the New Testament were written by the eye witnesses of the events of Jesus. They were written in just one generation when many other eye witnesses were still alive. They were written without collusion from other Apostles. Even if any of the Apostles wanted to “add” to the “myth” of Jesus, they would have done so in a very disjointed and easily detectable fashion. Yet, the main Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) that describe the life of Jesus are amazingly in harmony with one another and the small differences are consistent with what we would see today if four people witnessed a major event and wrote about the event apart from each other. The Gospels can be traced back to their sources and are basically unchanged from their originals.

The Bible is the most investigated historical document in the history of the world. It has been investigated by scientists, philosophers and archeologists using technology undreamed of when the Bible was written. It is been desperately tried to be “disproved” for over 2000 years, yet, the Bible still stands as the truth.

The stories of Jesus still make sense to us today. It may be because they are true, it may be because they are based in love or it may be because they were written to tell the people of the Word of God.

Regards,

2banana


15 posted on 05/17/2007 6:18:22 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: nuconvert

Amazing! The mind boggles.


16 posted on 05/17/2007 6:20:03 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Valin
That is exactly what we’ve done in the past (deal with the Islamic world as “The Other). This is wrong, as it only provides more ammo for the radicals to show the it’s “Us against Them”. Besides the world has become to small and interconnected place to allow such a large part of humanity to live in a cultural black hole. (See Tom Barnetts “The Pentagon’s New Map”)

We've always been willing to deal with any nation or culture on equal terms, as long as they were willing to.

17 posted on 05/17/2007 6:20:35 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Valin
I think the average Muslim's level of support for terrorists is akin to the average conservative Christian's level of support for Randy Weaver - a generic sympathy for the position taken and the acknowledgement of a common enemy, but falling well short of active endorsement or a willingness to take up arms for the cause.

Ask a typical Arab Muslim in the Middle East if he supports the 9/11 hijackers and you'll probably get a lukewarm expression of disapproval for the specific action taken, followed by an animated rant about how it was all Israel's fault. Ask him if he would like to move the United States and live in New York permanently and be an American and he'll also say yes, no matter how many Jews he might end up with as neighbors.

So saying we have 1.3 billion active enemies is way off the mark - but it's unlikely in turn that we can convince very many of them to help the US forces capture their brothers. The cultural milieu of the Middle East will remain fertile ground for the production of angry young men for some time to come.

18 posted on 05/17/2007 6:45:24 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Valin

Thank you for your kind invitation and your overly generous (or is that disingenuous?) assessment of my wit.

Suffice to say, I do not share the author’s view and feel that any rumors of the impending death of radical Islamism are greatly exaggerated.


19 posted on 05/17/2007 6:48:24 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: 2banana
What we see in your rely is something that while it maybe true is irrelevant to the subject at hand.
20 posted on 05/17/2007 6:49:24 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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