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This is my opinion, natch, but it is also a serious question. If we refuse to actually look into ourselves and only lash out at those who might, we become no better than the hard Left... and some here, IMO, belong there for all their knee-jerkism.
1 posted on 05/16/2007 1:25:09 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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Sir, I’ve posed this question many times here, inviting critical thinking.

I’ve received only private replies (Freep mail). People seem afraid to discuss it openly here.

It’s an important question for our National Security, and you’ve framed it well. But it’s unlikely you’ll receive a worthy response or serious dialogue.

Thank you for your service to our country.


26 posted on 05/16/2007 1:34:36 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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I’ve read portions on the “koran” and in having done so I realize that our crime....our *only* crime is that we’re “infidels” who refuse to recognize as anything but a worthless bum that clown who befouled a 9 year old girl and called it “holy”.
27 posted on 05/16/2007 1:35:03 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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"and I question the WILL of the Bushites to WIN the war on terrorists and their sponsoring countries."

When I see the word "Bushites" - it sends up a red flag to me.

28 posted on 05/16/2007 1:35:19 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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All I know is the world has had biases against the USA for years. We have had biases against others for years. For every action there is a reaction. You can analyze this until your nut are blue and come up with many conclusions.
The big question is this. How do you do ANYTHING in your own interest and not negatively affect SOMEONE? Try it at work and in normal life. ANYTHING you do will affect different people in different ways. And there is not a DAMN thing you can do about it.
29 posted on 05/16/2007 1:36:05 PM PDT by hophead
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To: dcwusmc; OrthodoxPresbyterian

One of my professors in law school made a very convincing argument that Islamic terrorism is a response to globalization, an attempt to reject the perceived excesses of Westernization by being other-worldly.


30 posted on 05/16/2007 1:36:44 PM PDT by jude24 (Seen in Beijing: "Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.")
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No. Islam has been that way for 1400 years. When it’s weak, which it often is because it creates only dysfunctional cultures, it’s quiet. When it gets strong (as it has because of oil money), it attacks. Even our breathing would be enough for them to attack us.


32 posted on 05/16/2007 1:36:54 PM PDT by livius
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Well, Osama gives his reasons for calling for the killing of all Americans in two of his now infamous fatwas of 1996 and 1998. In both he calls for the killing of all Americans in part because of the first Iraq War and the subsequent sanctions that he incorrectly blames on the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children.

Other reasons are that we plunder their treasure (oil), although we actually buy it. And he states additional reasons of having US Army bases on Saudi Arabia soil. And throw in the Palestine issue and you pretty much got all his reasons.

Do a search on:
"Osama fatwa 1996"
"Osama fatwa 1998"

34 posted on 05/16/2007 1:37:05 PM PDT by avacado
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That is like asking a battered wife, if she contributed in any way to her condition, or the mother of a suicide the same. One can argue, that we had some input, but it is mostly merely existing, as a Christian nation.
35 posted on 05/16/2007 1:37:28 PM PDT by NathanR (Apr?s moi, le deluge.)
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Yes, we DID contribute to the Islamists’ hatred for us. See, we aren’t Muslims, so they hate us for that.


38 posted on 05/16/2007 1:38:57 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Duncan Hunter wears Fred Thompson pajamas!)
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bombs just looking for a reason to explode.


39 posted on 05/16/2007 1:39:25 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhymes, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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thanks for asking.

Yes, you are anti semitic.

No, we are not responsible for the vile act of hatred perpetrated on 9-11.

It really is astounding to me how many liberals and conservatives are willing to indulge the “maybe we should let Israel go.”

Huge swaths of the Middle East openly kill and require the mass exodus of all non muslim minorities and their is nary a blink of the political eye. Please see todays announcment that a small minority of Christians must convert or die within 10 days in Pakistan.

There is not one thing wrong with the state of Israel— save that Jews live there. That is absolutely the facts. If all the Jews converted to Islam tomorrow and then they chose to kill all of the Palestinians, nothing would be said in criticism.

this is the re-institutition of the Holocaust. Iran has explicitly spelled it out dozens of times but we just look away.

Dozens if not hundreds of ethnic minorities have land claims superior to those of the so called Palestinians but they are absolutely ignored.

The Islamic Fasicsts can change— and they can change right now. No one has any moral obligation to say, ‘well I guess I antagonized you because you define yourself in terms of my non-existence.” Islamic fascism is wrong. It has always been wrong. It will always be wrong. No electoral outcome will ever change this fact. At some point, humanity will band together to defeat this vile idea.

I hope this answers your question.


40 posted on 05/16/2007 1:39:48 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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“COULD we have taken a different path years back that would NOT NECESSARILY have led to 9/11?”

Yes we could have converted to Islam, given up our freedom and installed a Sharia Law Government. They will attack no matter what until we convert.


41 posted on 05/16/2007 1:40:31 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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We’re not a pure as the driven snow, not that I care - My Country, Right or Wrong!

But the nutballs are driven more by ambition, than by revenge. Remember some of their “grievances” date back to the loss of Spain... They would have attacked us sooner or later.


42 posted on 05/16/2007 1:40:38 PM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: if his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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The concept of historical appreciation has been documented by many of our Presidents going all the way back to the Founding Fathers.

The Caliphate and Jihadist Philospohy was founded approximately ONE THOUSAND YEARS!

before our founding. The strategies required to deal with this Historic Movement are NOT facile, (or easy)!

We brought down the Soviet Union by economic means which pointed to "The Shining City on a Hill", (So oft repeated by Reagan!). Modern Socialism had a 200 year history and while the Soviet Union succumbed their counterparts right here in the USofA still espouse this form of government, (Pelosi, Hillary et al!).

As for the Jihadists and present day Dictators in Venezuela and North Korea alittle force is required.

43 posted on 05/16/2007 1:40:38 PM PDT by Young Werther ( and Julius Ceasar said, "quae cum ita sunt." (or since these things are so!))
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Bin Laden stated that his angst toward us was over the break up of the Caliphate after WWI. Their goal is to restore the Caliphate and America is in their way.


45 posted on 05/16/2007 1:41:19 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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If you are asking if our foreign policy decisions have been crafted based on short term goals without a fleeting thought as to: what the long term unintended consequences might be, what risks the policies pose to our future, what lessons we might learn from history, what the relative weight of reward/risk is in the long term, and what plans we might make to track and mitigate these risks, then the answer is YES YES YES YES YES!! Americans live for the five minute sound byte, thinking is not required.


46 posted on 05/16/2007 1:41:21 PM PDT by LambSlave (If you have to ask permission, it's not a right.)
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What did India do to earn their islamderthal attacks? How about Bangladesh or Nepal. Did Indonesia or the Philippines occupy muslim lands? Several hundred years ago, did north Africa and southern Europe occupy muslim lands?

They’re bent on global domination and they constantly tell us that. Sure we can do the Ron Paul thing and curl up in a fetal ball hoping they don’t kick us too hard but we better be willing to die in mass numbers for the blinders we’re supposed to wear. After all, they won’t be kicking us with boots, they’ll be using nukes.


47 posted on 05/16/2007 1:41:51 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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Osama said the reason for the attacks were the proximity of our troops to Mecca.

It’s kinda like asking if you are to blame when someone rear-ends your car. If you had stayed home, the wreck could have been avoided. If you did not own a car, the wreck could have been avoided. Etc


48 posted on 05/16/2007 1:41:56 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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I realize and understand that many of you are pure knee-jerk

Hey. I resemble that remark.

I think radical Islam has been trying to convert the whole world for some time and want run the place as one big Islamic State.

Radical and mainstream muslims hate Westerners, their culture and their Christian/Jewish religions.

50 posted on 05/16/2007 1:42:58 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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Did the U.S. Contribute in ANY Possible Way to Islamists' Attitudes Prior to 9/11?

Of course, becasue the US government counts Isreal as an ally, and becasue the US government makes sure that Israel has plenty of money to buy weapons, and becasue the US would probably engage in war against a country that committed an act of war against Israel, and Becasue most of the islamic countries are the sworn enemy of Israel. Yeah I'd say that our Government's direct efforts to make Israel a nuclear power contributed to the other countries in the region acting the way they do. The US government also spent a lot of money and military capital over the past 40 years meddling in ME countries and their governments. Remember the policy of installing puppet governors like the Shaw of Iran? That sure worked out well. Maybe becasue these people have been killing each other in awful ways for a thousand years..............and now they're pissed at US.

55 posted on 05/16/2007 1:44:39 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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