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GOP Debate #1 thread: Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #1~ Reagan Library 05/03/07 - Official Discussion Thread
1 posted on 05/15/2007 4:25:10 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture
This foxnews Poll is being tampered with.. Sorry its hard for me to believe I am in the 5% for Duncan Hunter. Duncan Hunter was the clear winner tonight.
2,056 posted on 05/15/2007 8:16:14 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Giuliani really pissed me off when he said that it must be easier to manage NYC than the entire USA. What a stuck up New Yorker (I lived there for 30 years, bash away if you must). For some reason that’s what’s sticking with me after that debate. Giuliani needs more than just happening to be ‘there’ on 9/11. The whole country was attacked that day. I happened to be ‘there’ when it happened, but I always realized, and never forgot, we all were attacked. The WTC should have been restored by now, maybe a little taller. It’d be done by now if they started in June 2002! Giuliani, Pataki, the LMDC, and the Port Authority decided to let OBL reshape the NYC skyline. Wimps. I had to leave the area, couldn’t stand looking at Downtown without the WTC there. Constant reminder. Left last June, I ain’t looking back, and there’s no way I’d vote for Giuliani.

I liked when Tancredo said you have to put fear in your enemy. I wish he had a chance, I could push the button for that guy.

Mitt comes off like John F’n Kerry to me. Much tougher, could catch a ball or whatever, he’s always flinging credentials and time spent, blah, blah. He says lots of good sounding stuff, but I don’t believe him. The things he speaks of, like shrinking government drastically and benchmarks.... No one could pull that off even in a double term presidency, quit bs’n me man. Say something real and achievable. Your going to double Guantanamo? I like the idea, but not gonna happen. Washington’s screwed up and he’s going to fix it, yeah right.

Good debate overall. Fox did a nice job with moderating.

McCain’s living in an earlier time or something, not happening, seems like a nice enough guy though.

/rant off!


2,083 posted on 05/15/2007 8:18:31 PM PDT by Imperialist
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To: CounterCounterCulture

I’ve narrowed down MY choices after tonite! At least THIS debate wasn’t a total dog & pony show! Ok, there was some of that, but not even CLOSE to what Chrissi Matthews did!


2,161 posted on 05/15/2007 8:29:20 PM PDT by Just Lori (There is nothing "democratic" about Democrats.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Brownback is trying to outdo Romney’s do but I still think Mitt has the best hair.


2,175 posted on 05/15/2007 8:31:01 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy ( Mitt has the best hair!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture; All
Here is my ranking of tonight debate:

1. Romney: He acted Presidential, looked Presidential, sounded Presidential, and he delivered great answer “over all”, the best being “Double Guatanamo” prison.

2. Rudy Giuliani: despite his great weakness in answering the abortion question, he got the highlight of the night by putting down this idiot Ron Paul.

3. Mike Huckabee: He is the real surprise, he came off very well.

4. Duncan Hunter: He was good “overall”, however he still lack the “Presidential” aura.

5. John McCain: Performed better “overall” than the last debate.

6. Tom Tancredo.

7. Jim Gilmore.

8. Sam Brownback.

9. Tommy Thompson.

10. Ron Paul is a traitor and a lunatic. It is an insult to have this guy running for the Republican Party nomination. The good news is that after his disgraceful and lunatic answers tonight regarding 9/11 and the war on terror he is finished for ever.

Next debate should only include the Top Six.

2,268 posted on 05/15/2007 8:44:07 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Complete meltdown by Paul in the post-debate interview with Hannity. Stick a fork in him - he’s done.


2,276 posted on 05/15/2007 8:44:40 PM PDT by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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Romney didn’t stand out as much this time around as the first. I wish he hadn’t said that about assault weapons. I will have to take another harder look at him now and I had already taken a position of supporting him. I still think that overall he has the best background to be President.

Giuliani didn’t humiliate himself and in fact brought hope to the hearts of Rudyites everywhere.

Ducan Hunter did very well, but he doesn’t have the organization, money, name recognition or executive experience to carry him across the line.

McCain was much better this time around! He is absolutely right about torture. The reason is an American commander can in no way let out that he looks favorably on torture in any circumstance, because the situation with those under his command will spin out of control in short order.


2,312 posted on 05/15/2007 8:49:00 PM PDT by claudiustg (I curse you, Rudy of the Giuliani!)
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Does anybody know when/where the next debate is to take place?


2,317 posted on 05/15/2007 8:49:36 PM PDT by pulaskibush (USA, founded by tolerant Christians. USSR, founded by intolerant Secularist.)
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Tancredo owned the night. He was the far out winner. McCrazy fumbled just about every answer and rudy julie gets props for reminding me of my grandmother with those female reading glasses.


2,425 posted on 05/15/2007 9:08:26 PM PDT by Capt. Cox (evangelicalsformitt.org)
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Really was more impressed with Hunter than anyone else. Especially on the Iraq question. I watched about half the tax questions and then had to leave.


2,537 posted on 05/15/2007 9:35:26 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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There’s something about Romney that I just can’t fathom right now — maybe it’s that I think he lying through his teeth. Can’t quite put my finger on it.

Just don’t like him, I guess.


2,541 posted on 05/15/2007 9:36:48 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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In terms of substantive content from the debates, the 'first tier' GOP candidates are Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, and Ron Paul.

And I appreciate Tancredo's focus/advocacy on the illegal alien problem.

2,780 posted on 05/15/2007 11:11:48 PM PDT by ProCivitas (Northern Nations need stronger identity, cultural coherence, and mutual allegiance.)
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my man Rudy ! this was his night IMO.

I loved the way he stood up to Ron Paul about 9/11.

God Bless Rudy

God Bless America


2,872 posted on 05/16/2007 1:39:59 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (A Goldwater-Reagan conservative that strongly supports Rudy in 08 !)
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Amazing. Ron Paul has dominated the conversation on this thread and has moved into the lead of a party that can’t find itself. I’m shocked to see Free Republic Republicans on the defensive like this.


2,894 posted on 05/16/2007 5:57:02 AM PDT by Hariq Ameltow
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My rankings for this debate...

Duncan Hunter (Da man. Clearly the most competent presidential candidate)
Tom Tancredo (good on issues, “Road to Des Moines” line)
Mike Huckabee (likeable, great line about Breck Girl Edwards)
Mitt Romney (not quite as impressive as first debate but still competent)

Jim Gilmore (meh... fumbles his opportunities)
Sam Brownback (meh)
Rudy Giuliani (floundering, but got a huge bump up going after Ron Paul)
John McCain (typical McCaniac)
Ron Paul (international policy and demeanor turning people completely against him)
Tommy Thompson (zzzzzzzzzzzzz)


2,921 posted on 05/16/2007 8:37:26 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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Does anyone have the minute by minute breakdown for how much time each speaker received? It just seemed to me like Duncan Hunter received way less time than the others.


2,925 posted on 05/16/2007 9:28:21 AM PDT by LivingNet
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The serious Pubs showed last night: Rudy, Mitt, Duncan and perhaps The Huck. McCain has to drop out and the rest should too. They are fine guys, perhaps excepting this Paul character who belongs in the House to keep reminding people of the Constitution and out of leadership responsibility. When and if the coy Fred and Newt ever get in, our guys will be very aware and ready to beat the Dem 3 of Hil, BO and Richardson. Edwards is a goner now. I can see a Rudy-Hunter, Mitt-Thompson, Rudy-Thompson, Mitt-Hunter ticket. They would skunk the Left.


2,930 posted on 05/16/2007 10:11:35 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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I watched the debate last night. Not sure who won but several candidates did well....but what is UP with the stupid polls showing Ron Paul won that thing? He got he butt kicked by a TRANSVESTITE!


2,931 posted on 05/16/2007 10:31:36 AM PDT by Grunthor ( If you're going to call Islam a religion can we now call Auschwitz a theme park?)
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Anyone notice that Ron Paul looks a lot like the guy who ran the Heaven’s Gate cult? Only compared to Paul, THEY were at least half sane.

It seems to me that all Paul did was string together a bunch of slogans and talking points from the more wacko fringes of talk radio and the Internet and strung them togther as his “Agenda” He is good at the foaming at the mouth rage at everyone and everything but cannot answer even the simplest question of HOW he would DO anything.

Frankly of all the candidates, Paul is the worst possible choice. It like he simply made up his mind, like a certain handful of Freeprs, that what he feels is reality and any facts that do not conform to his feelings he simply ignores. He is our version of Al Sharpton or Dennis Kunchinch.

2,936 posted on 05/16/2007 11:32:07 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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Here’s today’s latest InTrade changes. It appears to me that McCain lost. Rudy gained some (yesterday’s he was at +5, so it has settled down a bit).

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/

sorted by Change:

Contract Bid Ask Last Vol Chge
2008.GOP.NOM.GIULIANI 26.9 28 28 85050 0.9
2008.GOP.NOM.PAUL 0.4 0.5 0.5 22800 0.1
2008.GOP.NOM.ROMNEY 17.9 18.2 17.9 65800 0
2008.GOP.NOM.HUCKABEE 2.2 2.3 2.3 36266 0
2008.GOP.NOM.BROWNBCK 0.4 1 0.4 25453 0
2008.GOP.NOM.THOMPSON(T) 0.2 0.5 0.3 25317 0
2008.GOP.NOM.TANCREDO 0.2 0.4 0.2 17126 0
2008.GOP.NOM.HUNTER 0.1 0.2 0.1 20773 0
2008.GOP.NOM.GILMORE - 0.1 - 13365 0
2008.GOP.NOM.THOMPSON(F) 13.9 14.2 13.9 15655 -0.1
2008.GOP.NOM.BLOMBERG 1.3 1.4 1.3 25737 -0.1
2008.GOP.NOM.HAGEL 2.8 2.9 2.7 32495 -0.2
2008.GOP.NOM.MCCAIN 27.6 27.9 27.6 83228 -0.4
2008.GOP.NOM.GINGRICH 3.6 4.2 3.8 35854 -1.1

Here it is sorted according to Ask price. Hunter is stuck down in the noise level, so for those of us who really do think he has a chance to win, we could make some money at the same time as putting our money where our mouth is.

Contract Bid Ask Last Vol Chge
2008.GOP.NOM.GIULIANI 26.9 28 28 85050 0.9
2008.GOP.NOM.MCCAIN 27.6 27.9 27.6 83228 -0.4
2008.GOP.NOM.ROMNEY 17.9 18.2 17.9 65800 0
2008.GOP.NOM.THOMPSON(F) 13.9 14.2 13.9 15655 -0.1
2008.GOP.NOM.GINGRICH 3.6 4.2 3.8 35854 -1.1
2008.GOP.NOM.HAGEL 2.8 2.9 2.7 32495 -0.2
2008.GOP.NOM.HUCKABEE 2.2 2.3 2.3 36266 0
2008.GOP.NOM.BLOMBERG 1.3 1.4 1.3 25737 -0.1
2008.GOP.NOM.BROWNBCK 0.4 1 0.4 25453 0
2008.GOP.NOM.THOMPSON(T) 0.2 0.5 0.3 25317 0
2008.GOP.NOM.PAUL 0.4 0.5 0.5 22800 0.1
2008.GOP.NOM.TANCREDO 0.2 0.4 0.2 17126 0
2008.GOP.NOM.HUNTER 0.1 0.2 0.1 20773 0
2008.GOP.NOM.GILMORE - 0.1 - 13365 0


2,959 posted on 05/16/2007 11:04:41 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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