Posted on 05/15/2007 10:45:31 AM PDT by jdm
The other day on Fox News Sunday, Rudolph W. Giuliani blamed a former aide for the decision to put the city’s emergency command center at 7 World Trade Center, where it was destroyed on 9/11. Now the aide, Jerome M. Hauer, the former director of emergency management, has fired back, giving Lloyd Grove of New York magazine a February 1996 memo that shows he argued for a Brooklyn location. He says the mayor overruled him.
Here is what Mr. Giuliani said on Fox:
Jerry Hauer recommended that as the prime site and the site that would make the most sense. He recommended that site as the site that would be the best site. It was largely on his recommendation that that site was selected.
Mr. Hauer’s memo to First Deputy Mayor Peter J. Powers recommended the MetroTech Center in downtown Brooklyn: “The building is secure and not as visible a target as buildings in Lower Manhattan.” The World Trade Center had been bombed three years earlier.
Mr. Hauer told Lloyd Grove in an interview:
Rudy’s getting a lot of heat for the decision. He’s trying to run on his homeland-security and national-security background, and if you start peeling back the skin on the errors he made when he was mayor, you take away a lot of the basis for his candidacy… I feel sad that he would betray somebody that had served him loyally in the past, and I’m angry, too. But when you get to know Rudy, you know that this is the kind of thing he does. That’s just his personality.
(Excerpt) Read more at empirezone.blogs.nytimes.com ...
Thank you!
That's one way of putting it.
Another way of putting it might be that Bratton brought Maple with him because Maple was carrying him at the MTA and Bratton needed him.
You are so very welcome, Wide.
So we know that Kerik was friends with Larry Ray.
We know that Larry Ray was hired by Eddie Garafola.
We also know that Garafola asked Ray to drum up business for their waste carting company by asking Kerik - who then worked in the corrections department - for help in obtaining a sanitation license.
We also know that well after the fact, Ray and Garafola were indicted.
Which apparently means that Kerik was "mobbed-up" because a friend of his was hired by a guy who was related to a guy who used to be in the Mafia and the friend asked him for a recommendation for a license.
Where I come from - a neighborhood not far from John Gotti's - "mobbed-up" or "connected" means that you actually run a business that has legitimate dealings but also functions as a front for mafia activities, a service for which you are paid a monthly "taste"; or it means that you are a blood relative of someone who is a family soldier or higher.
Until it is proven that Kerik actually received some sort of kickback, he was doing a favor for friend who later turned out to be a criminal.
Because all the record shows is that he did a favor for a friend who was employed by a company that has as one of its officers a guy who is in the Mafia.
Kerik is a slob and a corner-cutter who thinks rules don't apply to him - but I seriously doubt that he knowingly collaborated with the Mafia.
Here's a real-life scenario.
A friend of my mother's worked as the event planner at a bakery/pastry shop in my neighborhood.
My mother used the shop to cater family events and also used the shop to cater certain events at our local parish - where my mother served as an officer of the CCD program. The food was top notch.
As it turns out, that pastry shop, along with several other businesses in my neighborhood, was owned by a Mafia capo named Sal Catalano and those businesses were used to launder money.
My mother did not know that the guy named Vito who ran the shop was a cousin of a Mafioso - although I am certain her friend was aware of this because she worked there full time.
Is my mom "mobbed up" because she unwittingly directed thousands of dollars worth of catering business to a caterer that was linked to the Mafia?
Should she have been investigated by the parish council?
It never occurred to my mom to even ask her friend if the shop was somehow involved with the Mafia, and even if she had asked her friend she would doubtless have lied to my mom rather than reveal something she had probably been sworn to secrecy about.
These are the things that go through my mind when someone is accused of being "mobbed-up."
What was Jack Maple doing, then, from 1990 to 1992?
Do you know?
You know, I feel sorry for you having the name "wideawake", with the rudy supporters having grabbed that name for their Rudy-worship site.
I had the name before they did. And I openly admit that I stole the name from the pro-Lincoln rally groups of the 1860 election.
There were REASONS. What aide said this was a mistake? I’ve read at least 12 books about him and his administration, I’ve never read that they considered such a brief delay to be a mistake. Not to mention the fact that he tried to get people to let him come back to DC IMMEDIATELY. In the end, he did insist on his return.
This world doesn’t need additional irrational Bush haters, THANKS.
I will always fight back, you betcha.
FIrst, I agree that Bubby wasn’t a great president.
Now, Bubby — as done in the style of a Rudy supporter:
“When we were attacked in 1994, Bill Clinton acted decisively, as a good leader should, offering comfort to those who were hurt and launching an effort that captured and ultimately excuted the perpetrator.
“Under Bill Clinton, abortions dropped, and adoptions rose. He also ended welfare, sweeping millions off the welfare roles and into work.”
“Bill Clinton was a tough law-and-order president, putting 100,000 new police on the street, and causing crime to drop in every major city in the country. Further, because gun crime was so great a problem, he pushed through a common-sense limitation on assault weapons.”
Under Bill Clinton’s administration, taxes were cut on the middle class, child credits were implemented, capital gainst taxes were reduced, and business boomed, with the stock markets rushing to new heights.
While socially “liberal”, he implemented don’t-ask, don’t tell, keeping gays from officially being in the military. And under his leadership, congress passed the defense of Marriage act.
Did I miss anything? :-> I feel dirty now, and must go wash my hands.
I tried to choose passages that had direct quotes from Rudy’s book or from people like Kerik. Do you say that Rudy’s quotes I provided were lies?
Have you read the Tipping Point? I like Malcolm Gladwell, having first read his book “Blink”. So I recently read tipping point.
I didn’t have any idea at the time that the book was going to cover stuff about New York, but it did. And I never thought at the time I’d use it later on to refute claims of Rudy supporters. But here I am.
So I ask again, do you have reason to doubt Malcom Gladwell had the facts when he wrote his book? He’s an excellent researcher, and wasn’t writing a political book.
Jack worked for Bratton at the transit authority. I meant before Jack was appointed to his position under bratton in the police department.
I apologize for the error in my text.
Then I stand corrected.
Go jump in a lake. Nothing worse than wasting time with a putz who doesn't even read one's posts.
Me too. Which is why I called the poster a you-know-what.
It was not a "bait" as you put it .. rather a response to a sick "whore" accusation.
First of all, you sent indylindy a terse reply quoting someone else, not even indylindy. As far as the "whore" accusation, that goes to all the Rudy Giuliani defenders. Perhaps "pimp" might have been a better choice of words, because Rudy is the one doing the prostituting. Referring to someone as an "ass" twice is just not right. Yes, I have done it myself (once) and I apologized for it.
Just for the record, the other person just compared the behavior of those who buy what Rudy says as gospel to compliant whores. They did personally call you a whore. In your post to me there is no comparison, you just call them personally a whore. That’s just wrong, and you should apologize.
You first.
"Until it is proven that Kerik actually received some sort of kickback, he was doing a favor for friend who later turned out to be a criminal."
Kerik has already pleaded guilty to allowing Interstate Industrial Corporation, or its subsidiaries, to do $165,000 worth of free renovations on his Bronx apartment.
Oh, there you go bringing facts into this....
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