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To: nuconvert
I'm more than happy to support true moderate Muslims. The question is, will they support us?

Islam, whatever else it is, seems to be a quasi-tribal identity. Its adherents, therefore, seem to have a real hard time ever truly identifying with a non-Muslim group of people in any significant conflict with a Muslim group of people.

Even the most "moderate" Muslims in the West will still feel a tinge of sympathy for their "Palestinian brothers" (regardless of whether the person is Palestinian, or even Arab). Contrast this with how the West treated the Serbs - only on the Buchananite fringe did you hear anyone speak of them as our "Christian brothers" and advocate not bombing them on those grounds. To the mainstream of Western thought, such a view doesn't even compute.

Why is this? Because - unlike Christianity - Islam is not just a religion, and not just an ideology, but also a global, quasi-tribe.

And there may be moderates in a religion (people who don't follow all the religion's tenets, take them too literally, etc.) and moderates in an ideology (people who don't adhere to the ideology's beliefs to an extreme), but there is really no such thing as "moderate" tribalism; you either identify with the tribe against the other, or you don't.

So the real question is, the Muslims who we are supposed to consider moderates - are they willing to abandon their tribalism?

15 posted on 05/15/2007 6:52:58 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan

Its not just tribal but also a system of governance. They will govern also non-Muslims, not belonging to the tribe, if they have the political power, but the no-Muslims will be lower acste, dhimmi’s, subservient to the true Muslim.

A Muslim that does not endorse the actions of Al Qaida is not a faithful Muslim and will be subject to punishment even by detah. The Koran supports Al Qaida.

There are no moderate Muslims only quiet Muslims (quiet until they are free to speak and act in favor of Al Qaida) and fallen Muslims (who shun Al Qaida but then must shun Islam as well)

Islam cannot ever be integrated with a Christian society to any degree where it may acquire political power. They will defeat all laws of liberty and free practice of religion. (that is their history. irrefutable)


24 posted on 05/15/2007 6:59:01 AM PDT by Mark Felton ("Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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