You need to be talking in terms of whatever policy that is set up as succeeding or failing.
Then "StarCMC" said --
And you need to quit telling everyone else what to do.
Now that one is what I would call a real "Laugh-a-minute" -- especially here on Free Republic. It's a real laugh, considering that this very thread is doing that very thing. It's saying what people should do or tell certain Congessmen. Just look at the ad in Post #9. Go to the web site and it's telling people what they should do in regards to our government (i.e., what to tell them). It's telling people what to do in regards to the Congressmen (tell them this or that).
On this very thread, I've already got many posts telling me exactly what to do.
So, now you come up and say, "And you need to quit telling everyone else what to do." -- which you probably missed the "fact" that you were doing exactly what you were telling me not to do. Isn't that a mind twister.
That's why I LAUGHED-OUT-LOUD the second I saw that. Thanks for the hearty laugh. It must have been a joke, I'm sure...!
I find your tone and your insinuations incredibly insulting. As for my usage of "whiny droppings" - trust me - it was used out of respect for the owner of this site.
Okay, I think I've got it now. In other words, if it weren't for respect for the "owner of this site" -- you would be getting incredibly insulting yourself, right? Well..., don't let me hold you back. I would not want to restrain your natural instincts.
As far as your perceptions in my "tone" and "insinusations" -- well..., all I can say is thank goodness I don't have to worry about someone else's perceptions as I go through life. I'm only concerned about how I state things. If my statements are taken as "incredibly insulting" -- hmmm..., all I can say is get better control over yourself. It doesn't pay to harbor bad feelings.
What I said stands and it stands on its own and within the words as stated. If someone doesn't like them, they'll just have to live with it.
THIS THREAD was posted by a Gold Star mom who is going to address Nancy Pelosi's abandonment of the troops AND their mission. You hit this thread and started with predictions of doom...
And is anyone stopping anyone from posting here? Did I miss something?
Furthermore, you'll notice that you're engaging in that very thing I was talking about in Post #42 in regards to "Newspeak".
You see, there's the immediate "framing" comment by saying "abandonment of the troops". Then there's the "hit this thread". And following up with "predictions of doom".
Well, heck..., you know..., with those three phrases, I don't even have to know what the topic is about -- I just know from those phrases that I want nothing to do with it, no matter what it's about, because whoever is doing that is a really bad person...
You see..., that's how Newspeak works and how "framing the argument" works when commenting or replying. And that's all that is going on here. There's no discussion of the issue, no realization or understanding of the concept that the troops merely follow U.S. Government policy, and to the extent they follow it, they are successful. And also, no understanding that the policy may change and often does change with different political parties in power, as is happening now. And then, no understanding of when the policy does change to withdrawal from Iraq -- the troops will be just as successful in withdrawing as they've been in carrying out their present duties.
It has nothing at all to do with supporting the troops, in discussing the policies of the U.S. Government and discussing what the public is doing in shifting their viewpoint on staying in Iraq or not. What this does -- with the "linkage" that some FReepers want to attach to "policy" being directly related to "supporting the troops" -- is contribute to a denial of reality.
And lastly, so-called "predictions of doom" are simply that methodology of "Newspeak" in which someone says you cannot examine the consequences of policy and determine what happens if another and possibly bad policy is enacted. Apparently to even discuss a bad policy that will be coming about soon, is to succumb to "predictions of doom" -- instead of being able to engage in anything intelligent.
"Star Traveler" said --
And then, it's also very apparent that there are significant numbers of Americans who are now starting to say, "It's enough in Iraq; time to get out!" That's being heard, too. And so, "the handwriting is on the wall" and the pull-out is probably going to start by around the elections of 2008. There are going to be a number of Republicans who will join in on getting that date set up for the beginning of withdrawal in Iraq, because they'll want to trade that off for getting re-elected.
Then "StarCMC" said --
It is NOT apparent to me. What IS apparent is that the media can bend and twist anything they want to say whatever they want. You can find a statistic to "prove" anything you want. It doesn't make it truth. The handwriting you see on the wall is your own screed. The rest of us are too busy doing something about the state of things to spend time reading what you've scrawled.
I suspect it is apparent to you, because what I've found out that the more apparent that something is going to happen against one's better judgement, the more excited they get about the topic. Soon, the discussion becomes very shrill and filled with accusations.
Thus, my estimation, in reading these kinds of threads is that the people here are definitely getting the sinking feeling that this is indeed about to happen and they are getting more upset about it.
Now, here is what is going to make it "the truth" for you. See what the elections of 2008 brings. I believe you're going to be seeing people coming out of the woodwork, screaming for withdrawal, to the point where politicians are going to fear for their "political lives" and are going to get on the bandwagon for the beginning of the withdrawal from Iraq.
So, I'll keep talking about what I see coming, and you can simply wait to see the "truth of the matter" when the 2008 elections come up.
And as far as "doing something" about the state of things, well..., you can write, call, wave flags, and do all sorts of nice and whatever-else you want. But, the fact of the matter is -- when public opinion shifts and it shows itself in elections -- your posturing will do you no good other than for you to say, "I tried something." That's about it....
Regards,
Star Traveler
And that, my friends, is how people excuse themselves from doing anything. Thank God everyone's not like this poster.