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Al-Qaida says it has missing U.S. troops
AP ^ | 5/13/07 | THOMAS WAGNER

Posted on 05/13/2007 5:18:54 AM PDT by jern

Edited on 05/13/2007 9:40:51 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: omega4179

This is what you get when your strategy is to not hurt anybody and then put your soldiers out in the field as practice targets for the enemy.


141 posted on 05/13/2007 10:45:20 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; SoldierDad
All my prayers are with the Army today, well everyday. SoldierDad, you and all of your family are in my thoughts and prayers.....let us know when you know.
142 posted on 05/13/2007 10:45:30 AM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: ASA Vet
Nuke Al Quaeda. Where?

bingo. That's why I cringe when I see these assinine comments about nuking terrorists. You have to use the right tool for the job. And it ain't nukes. It's intelligence, special forces and a whole lot of time.

143 posted on 05/13/2007 10:46:32 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: brazzaville
Strategic bombing to destroy the enemy’s war making ability works but doing it to scare them into surrender, as far as I can see, just pisses them off.

Exactly, which is why the targets for the bombing should be in Syria and Iran, with only a few in Iraq itself. It would be a modified strategic bombing campaign, very much like the bombing campaign that preceded the 100 hour war in Desert Storm. There wouldn't be a bridge still standing in either country. Anti aircraft sites would be rubble, and Iran's nuke/chem/bio facilities would, at minimum, be sealed into their underground bunkers, with no way out. (Might have to play "whack a mole" for awhile to ensure that).

144 posted on 05/13/2007 10:48:01 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

We should have conquered Saudi Arabia on September 12, 2001, executed the Whahabbis, and turned their country into a giant oil spigot. Anybody who complains about it (Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc.) gets 24x7 fuel-air bombardment.


145 posted on 05/13/2007 10:51:52 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: El Gato

I’ve heard we have 15 in the inventory. Could be wrong. We have plenty of other ordnance in the inventory, so my point remains. We should be surging with bombs, lots and lots of bombs, not with infantry on foot patrol.

Ultimately what happens in Iraq is up to the Iraqis—whether they side with or against the terrorists, or whether they think settling ancient scores and stealing everything they can get their hands on is more important than establishing a workable government. All up to the Iraqis, and so far I’m not impressed. Sunnis fight Shias, millions in oil revenue has gone missing, and the Iraqi government wants to take a two month holiday this summer in the middle of a war for the control of their civilization.

We can want democracy and peace for Iraq all day long, but the Iraqis have to want it or we’re just spinning our wheels. So far it appears that many do, but not enough. In the meantime we lack the will to act decisively, so it’s the death of a thousand cuts for us. And that is squarely on the politicians, who are worried about their legacies and the next election, and the commanders at the top, who are worried about their legacies and their next promotion. Shame on all of them.


146 posted on 05/13/2007 10:53:13 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: DevSix
That it took an hour for a QRF to get to the scene is flat out wrong.....In this area of Iraq. If this turns out to be accurate, this QRF was a goatfk.

You don't know how long it took to get the UAV on scene, find the burning vehicles and for orders to the QRF to be issued.

I do recall reading that no communications from the patrol were received, so it's not like they called for the QRF.

147 posted on 05/13/2007 10:54:53 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: FreeReign

Keep telling yourself that Ron.


148 posted on 05/13/2007 11:01:08 AM PDT by misterrob (Yankees Suck!)
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To: El Gato

I just watched the video of the command statement. In the part not quoted in the article, it indicated that the UAV did not find the burning vehicles until 15 minutes after the explosion. Now it’s only 41 minutes from then until the QRF was on the site. How long from the time the UAV operators saw the vehicles until the word got to the QRF to go? I have no basis for estimation.


149 posted on 05/13/2007 11:03:33 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: mware

War crime? Illegal treatment of captured US soldiers?

The Left NEVER speaks of their beloved “insurgents” in this manner. They just tell us that 3,700 have died in “iraq” (actually kuwait, germany, and elsewhere of non-combat injuries to arrive at that figure).


150 posted on 05/13/2007 11:06:13 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: DevSix
Once the explosion is heard, I take it that each patrol reports in ASAP, and the one that doesn’t is the one in trouble?

Then it is just a matter of locating where the patrol is and then the QRF comes to the rescue?

151 posted on 05/13/2007 11:07:03 AM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: El Gato
RUMINT I'm hearing...along with news (cough) reports says another patrol was aware which unit was hit immediately (heard the explosion). They would have called for a QRF stat.

We had UAVs over the scene within 10/15 minutes is also being reported. A QRF taking an hour to reach an incident only makes sense in Stan....Not Iraq. If the hour time frame turns out to be true....this QRF was a goatfk.

152 posted on 05/13/2007 11:13:43 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Chgogal

TANKS a Bunch,,,Tuff Times for All...

I will post whatever I can find here,,,still lookin’ at/for maps/sat-pics of that area,,,they can’t be too far
from the spot I marked on the map up-thread(JMO),,,

4,000 “Mother’s Sons” are on a “Search And Destroy” to
find their “Brothers”...


153 posted on 05/13/2007 11:26:21 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: weegee

Not sure but I dont think your post should have been addressed to me.


154 posted on 05/13/2007 11:29:27 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

“Patton was right...”

And so was MacArthur.... and Schwartzkopf

And there are a couple other generals whose names I can’t remember who were fired for voicing their belief in WINNING rather than all this political pussy-footing.


155 posted on 05/13/2007 12:01:21 PM PDT by NerdDad (Aug 7, 1981, I married my soulmate, CDBEAR. 25 years and I'm still teenager-crazy in love with her.)
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To: jern

The top ten origins of the foreign terrorists are:

Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, the Palestinian territories, Sudan, Tunisia and Yemen.

Anyone know what our State Dept is doing to force these countries to curtail these lunatics?


156 posted on 05/13/2007 12:02:24 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: brazzaville; scannell

“If we fought WWII with the Nazi’s knowing that they could attack and retreat to their homes under the cover of women and children, we would have lost that war.”


Enough already with the “tough love” approach.

We need to stop thinking of Muslms as the “religion of peace” and start thinking of them as an evil ideology every bit as evil as Nazism or Leninist-marxism.


157 posted on 05/13/2007 12:07:34 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: DevSix; All
JMHO,,,the 2nd patrol was east of the ambush-site,(near
Yusufiya),,,The QRF (Iraqi Army) came all the way from
Fallujah(40 miles away),,,Why ??,,,Maybe the UAV already
“saw” what had happened and the 2nd patrol was ordered
to hold their position,,,Nothing else makes sense,,,
158 posted on 05/13/2007 12:13:25 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
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159 posted on 05/13/2007 12:47:43 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: eleni121

“Enough already with the “tough love” approach.

We need to stop thinking of Muslms as the “religion of peace” and start thinking of them as an evil ideology every bit as evil as Nazism or Leninist-marxism.”

Where’re we gonna get our oil from?


160 posted on 05/13/2007 12:56:48 PM PDT by jamese777
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