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After the dogfight, an olive branch offered (Flying an A380 "as easy as changing cars")
Channel NewsAsia ^ | 11 May 2007 0952 hrs | Lee U-Wen

Posted on 05/11/2007 3:49:46 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

SINGAPORE: It was suggested that flying different type of aircraft was "as easy as changing cars". The revelation of the pay scales for Singapore Airlines’ pilots, said to be among the world’s highest, raised a few eyebrows.

Such nuggets of information — offered by SIA management at a court hearing to settle a pay dispute between the airline and its pilots’ union — seem to have ruffled more than a few feathers among the pilots.

Following the feedback it received after the court hearing, SIA thought it necessary to send a letter to all 1,800 of the company’s pilots on Wednesday.

Marked “Confidential and Restricted”, the three-paragraph letter, obtained by TODAY, was signed by senior vice-president for flight operations, Captain Gerard Yeap, and senior vice-president for human resources Loh Meng See.

Harking back to the three-day hearing at the Industrial Arbitration Court last month, the letter said: “We received feedback that the pilots were unhappy with the way the company presented the case and felt that the role of SIA pilots had been belittled.”

It went on to “clarify and assure” all pilots that SIA management had no intention to “trivialise the professionalism of our pilots, nor to sensationalise the issues in public”.

This is the second such message believed to have been sent to SIA pilots, following one issued via email on April 25 — the final day of the court hearing — by Capt Yeap.

Stressing the importance of not overreacting to “singular statements” made in court, Capt Yeap warned in his email that media reports might take certain arguments out of context.

“In the course of delivery in court and in our attempt to explain technicalities to non-aviators, it is regrettable that some of the arguments might have come across as oversimplification of our profession. I would like you to know that this was never the intent,” he wrote.

SIA and its pilots’ union, the Air Line Pilots Association of Singapore (Alpa-S), had gone to court to settle their longstanding salary dispute.

The union, which represents 90 per cent of the company’s pilots, wants a higher salary to be paid to its pilots handling the new Airbus 380 (A380) superjumbo plane because of its bigger seating capacity.

SIA, on the other hand, insists that flying the aircraft is no different from flying any of the three other smaller-capacity planes in its fleet — the Boeing 747, Boeing 777 and Airbus 345.

Eyebrows were raised on the first day of the hearing when SIA disclosed the breakdown of its pilots’ pay, and again when chief A380 pilot Captain Robert Ting, who is also SIA’s vice-president for flight operations, told a packed courthouse that he could easily fly the A380 “with my finger tips”. He also compared flying different aircraft to changing cars.

At the end of the court hearing, SIA proposed to increase its salary caps for the vast majority of its pilots, but Alpa-S president Capt P James rejected the offer because it still fell short of the union’s demands.

Pilots who spoke to TODAY on the condition of anonymity felt that the management could have painted a more accurate picture.

Said one Boeing 777 captain: “ Take the point SIA made about needing less skill to operate the A380. It’s not about the skill, but about managing the flight, the passengers and being accountable.”

To splash out details of the pay pilots’ scales was also “unfair and uncalled for”, he added. “The breakdown of the salaries was not accurate, because not everyone earns that amount.”

Another Boeing 777 captain said the outcome will have “long-term implications” for all A380 pilots worldwide. “SIA will be the first in the world to fly this plane, so other countries will be looking at us and using that standard to set their salaries accordingly.”

The Industrial Arbitration Court has already accepted its final submissions from both sides, and the ball is now in the court’s court. The dispute needs to be resolved before the arrival of the A380 jumbo in October. - TODAY/fa



TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: a380; aerospace; singaporeairlines

1 posted on 05/11/2007 3:49:49 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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2 posted on 05/11/2007 3:50:24 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

If they base the pay on the profitability of the type, should 380 pilots be paid less?


3 posted on 05/11/2007 3:55:01 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Paleo Conservative

Why didn’t they just go for the hazardous duty pay adder for flying an Airbus?


4 posted on 05/11/2007 3:55:36 PM PDT by NonValueAdded
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To: PAR35

Profitability to whom? The airline or the manufacturer?


5 posted on 05/11/2007 3:56:03 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: PAR35

If the A380 is never delivered, do the pilots get paid for just sitting around?


6 posted on 05/11/2007 4:05:00 PM PDT by gridlock (On January 20, 2009, Fred Dalton Thompson will be sworn in as President of the United States.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Maybe someone should inform Captain Ting that the reason he can fly the 380 “with my fingertipe” is because the controls are hydraulic, and the feel is completely artificial.

I guess now they’ll be boosting the hydraulic pressure on their 777’s to justify a pay cut...


7 posted on 05/11/2007 4:06:25 PM PDT by zipper
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Maybe someone should inform Captain Ting that the reason he can fly the 380 “with my fingertipe” is because the controls are hydraulic, and the feel is completely artificial.

But the hydraulics are controlled by the fly by wire system. There is no direct linkage between the cockpit controls and the control surfaces of the plane.

8 posted on 05/11/2007 4:11:35 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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The airline. There is no chance it will ever be profitable for the manufacturer.


9 posted on 05/11/2007 4:16:55 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Paleo Conservative

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10 posted on 05/11/2007 4:19:14 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Paleo Conservative
For the same reason....a backhoe operator gets more pay than a man using a shovel. Higher productivity, ie. more income potential for the employer.
11 posted on 05/11/2007 5:04:46 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Paleo Conservative
SIA, on the other hand, insists that flying the aircraft is no different from flying any of the three other smaller-capacity planes in its fleet — the Boeing 747, Boeing 777 and Airbus 345.

Huh?

12 posted on 05/11/2007 5:28:02 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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Oh, they mean smaller compared to the A 380, I guess.


13 posted on 05/11/2007 5:29:12 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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It’s all relative. The director of IAH says that IAH is ready to handle the A380. The Antonov AN-225 flys to IAH quite often to pick up oil industry cargoes without causing interference with aircraft moving on other runways or taxiways (that were built 40 years ago), so it can easily handle smaller planes like the A380.


14 posted on 05/11/2007 5:33:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Said one Boeing 777 captain: “ Take the point SIA made about needing less skill to operate the A380. It’s not about the skill, but about managing the flight, the passengers and being accountable.”

I wonder if all Airbust planes have a common flight deck? I've heard that Boeing does not, so the pilots have to be trained on the different configurations. Plus there is a difference in pay for pilots who fly twin aisle versus single aisle planes and a premium for pilots who can fly both.

15 posted on 05/11/2007 7:55:06 PM PDT by phantomworker (It is better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.)
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But the Neanderthal is sensitive, isn’t ‘it’!? /sarc


16 posted on 05/11/2007 7:57:14 PM PDT by phantomworker (It is better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Absolutely. Ditto the throttles. And the fact that there is enough boost on the hydraulics to make the yoke move with little pressure has absolutely nothing to do with how pay scales should be rigged. If it did then DC-3 pilots would be at the top of the pay scale.

The entire industry bases pilot pay on the size of the aircraft; bigger aircraft bring in more revenue, the consequences of mistakes are greater, their operation requires more planning, and the aircraft are more complex.

from the article: He also compared flying different aircraft to changing cars

Another horrible analogy belittling his (pilot) profession. When something goes wrong you don't just pull over. The training programs to gain a type rating in each aircraft mentioned are months long, and are not interchangeable. Pilots almost never (possible exception: flight test pilots) hold simultaneous currency ratings in the aforementioned dissimilar aircraft.

17 posted on 05/11/2007 11:43:13 PM PDT by zipper
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And the fact that there is enough boost on the hydraulics to make the yoke move with little pressure has absolutely nothing to do with how pay scales should be rigged.

There's no yoke on an Airbus A380 cockpit. It has a joystick on the side.

18 posted on 05/12/2007 8:07:30 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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True, I forgot about that difference. Reinforces my point.


19 posted on 05/12/2007 7:43:07 PM PDT by zipper
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