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Iraq and Saddam did that to us? Hmmm, I thought the hijackers were mostly Saudi citizens. Not an Iraqi among them. The Islamic wahabbi terrorist movement was born in Saudi Arabia...not secular Iraq...at least Iraq was secular before we went in there. Now it is a country with an Islamic Constitution...a gift to them from our open borders administration.

Osma Bin Laden claimed the 911 attack on the WTC was, in part, because we had troops in Saudi Arabia. He demanded we remove them...and within 18 months of 911 we had done as he demanded. A coddle?

We cheer as a secular dictator is hanged while the President is in Crawford Tx holding hands with wahabbist Saudi Prince's.

If we secure our borders and limit any and all immigration from the ME we can be secure our safety. And this administration's diplomacy towards axis of evil member NK is lame...Carterish so to speak.

Describe what a victory in Iraq will look like. Sunni and Shia Muslims standing with Turkish Kurds holding hands and singing kumbaya? An Islamic Shia government in bed with Iran is what we have put in place. If nothing else, the nation building ambitions of that creature called the neo con has been discredited by this war.

“...not secular Iraq...at least Iraq was secular before we went in there.”

I’ve heard many Saddam apologists refer to him and his nation as secular. When Saddam refers to Jews as ‘dogs’, writes ‘Allahu Akbar’ on the flag, and fires missles at Israel, these are regarding as ‘secular’ acts by the Saddam apologists.

“He demanded we remove them...and within 18 months of 911 we had done as he demanded. A coddle?”

I don’t think most would consider the transfer of troops from SA to Afganistan to hunt and kill Al Qaeda, an act of ‘coddling’ Al Qaeda. We had troops in SA to defend against Saddam’s potential for aggression. The purpose of having them remain there would be? (The idea of a Ron Paul supporter criticizing the Bush Admin. for removing troops from foreign soil is in and of itself amusing).

“An Islamic Shia government in bed with Iran is what we have put in place.”

Yeah, a puppet with an opposing foreign policy.(Iraq’s gov wants us there, Iran doesn’t).

Al-Qaeda in Iraq? Check
Terrorists being beaten back in Iraq instead of your living room? Check
Fighting Terrorists over there with the military instead of here with cops and fire fighters Double Check

Let me put it in terms you can understand.
Why did we invade Africa in 1943? Nazis were there.
Why did we invade France in 1944? Nazi's were there.
Why did we invade Iraq? Terrorists are there.
Why are we beligerent towards Iran and Syria? Oddly enough Terrorists are there.
Why are we not pounding the crap out of Pakistan and Saudi where a whole mess of terrorists are? Their govenments are to some degree are playing ball with us. Afghanistan did not, Iraq did not, Syria does not, Iran does not.

This is not a war on Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan or Iraq, it is a war on terror; terrorism, not individual citizens from a particular region.
We left Saudi Arabia after it became redundant for us to be there. Not because Bin Ladin made us go. We were there to make Iraq behave... which you may have noticed they are not much of a threat to the Sauds any more

Read what I write before you put words into my mouth.
Fight them there, not here, on the ground of our choosing not theirs. You cannot build a wall high enough to keep them out. Once they get here and set up shop, unless we get lucky it's game over. Over. OVER.

That sounds like abuse of our present and future tax dollars. I like Paul's plan to strengthen border security and personal liberty by lowering spending (and the income taxes accordingly).