RON PAUL, not Mitt Romney, won the first GOP Debate

Renew America ^ | May 8, 2007 | Chuck Baldwin

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Perzackly.

[JoeGar]

Remember, people, this is an MSNBC poll. How many Republicans will go to their website to cast a ballot?

[tacticalogic]

Rally the troops whenever good news presents itself, and always be willing to add to our numbers.

Expect to see various permutations of the "guilt by association" routine, and be ready to call them out for what they are.

[Capitalism2003]

Paul is right. It’s time to get us out of Vietnam #2. There is a civil war going on over there and it will be a mess no matter when we leave. Bring our troops home, defend our ports and borders, and use the money saved on Iraq operations to pay down our near 9 trillion dollar debt.

[macamadamia]

I’m still curious to know what you mean by “expansionist foreign policy?” Is the U.S. claiming new territory?

[jveritas]

You are a real sad story OP. When I see your incredibly stupid posts, I just keep laughing, your delusions are shocking. To think that a defeatist and traitor like Ron Paul is going to win the Republican nomination for President is a very sad state of mind.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

His voting record may be conservative, but so what? Would he translate to a good president and not get pinned down as a rampant ideologue?

At the very least... he would Veto everything, for eight years.

If for eight years, the expansion of Spending and Taxes simply stopped; if for eight years, the Growth of Government was arrested; If for eight years, no new Federal Laws and Regulations were visited upon the Poluace; if for eight years, the Federal Government grinds to a halt... then Ron Paul shall have acheived the wildest dreams of the youthful William Buckley, and shall have earned his place amongst the Greatest of American Presidents.

If Ron Paul simply stands athwart History yelling "'STOP!", it is enough.

[BillyBoy]

If Ron Paul thinks Scooter Libby is GULITY of the crime in which he was convicted(and sorry, Scooter wasn't convicted of "misleading the country on Iraq"), then the constitutional position is to let Libby rot in jail.

If Ron Paul thinks Scooter Libby is NOT GULITY of the crime for which he was sentenced, then the "Constitutional" position is certainly NOT to lock innocent people up "[The President] SHALL shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons" Article 2, Section 2... unless Mr. Paul is following the Constitution of Communist China or something, a person who exposes liberty and freedom doesn't let innocent people get locked up when there is a constitutional way to free them.

Sorry, the Constitution explicitly gives the President the power to grant pardons in all cases except impeachments.

Paul also said an income tax is "Unconstitutional". Untrue. The Constitution also now allows an income tax since the 16th amendment was passed in 1916. It used to be "unconstitutional" to tax income PRIOR to that time, it no longer is -- just as banning guns is no longer constitutional since the 2nd amendment was passed. I think what Mr. Paul meant to say is he'd like to repeal the 16th amendment so an income tax WILL BE unconstitutional in the future.

Sorry, just because Ron Paul calls everything on the planet "unconstitutional" doesn't make it so. The Ninth Circuit court also likes to proclaim everything "Unconstitutional". The Constitution itself explains what is constitutional, not Ron Paul.

Ron Paul can denounce the existence of the U.S. Supreme Court as "unconstitutional" tomorrow if he wanted to, that wouldn't make it so.

If he doesn't like certain powers being granted in the Constitution, then he should work to repeal them -- not pretend they don't exist.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I’m still curious to know what you mean by “expansionist foreign policy?” Is the U.S. claiming new territory?

At the point that we engage in the Folly of Approving Foreign Constitutions (particularly those which enshrine Koranic Satanism as the Official Religion of the State), I should say that our Ancient Policy of Neutrality has been violated.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

You are a real sad story OP. When I see your incredibly stupid posts, I just keep laughing, your delusions are shocking. To think that a defeatist and traitor like Ron Paul is going to win the Republican nomination for President is a very sad state of mind.

Yes, yes, to each his own.

I suppose you'll continue advocating the endless Bankrupting of the Republic.

As I said... to each his own.

[LS]

Ron Paul just voted WITH THE DEMS to de-fund our troops. It’s outrageous, and it’s time for Ronnie’s constituents to understand that he is making them LESS SAFE.

[tacticalogic]

just as banning guns is no longer constitutional since the 2nd amendment was passed.

The BOR is more of a clarification than an actual amending of the Constitution. Most of the Founders considered them redundant, and already being implicit in the Constitution proper.

[cubreporter]

And...Obama won the dem bebate...NOT hilllereee.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

If Ron Paul thinks Scooter Libby is GULITY of the crime in which he was convicted(and sorry, Scooter wasn't convicted of "misleading the country on Iraq"), then the constitutional position is to let Libby rot in jail.

It appears that Ron Paul has accepted the Judgment of the Courts, and believes that Libby deserves no extra-ordinary Pardon. And that settles that.

[George W. Bush]

I'm not going to deny that Romney proved himself the Best Debater amongst the "Big 3". I'm a former Debater myself; I know what I saw.

The only question is whether Mitt got to second-base or third-base with schoolgirl Chrissy Matthews. The funny thing is, only with Romney would you feel very naughty in making such a crack. I have wondered if the man is simply too much an Eagle Scout type to be elected. You know, I'm not sure we really want a president we can look up to, a president who really is squarer than a show like The Brady Bunch. We want one we can look down on more, I think.

But that doesn't change the fact that Ron Paul came out of nowhere to dominate the Post-Debate metrics.

Ron Paul will always have the Friends Of Ron. He has his own national constituency. It is small but very dedicated.

I'd say, to those who don't grasp his appeal, is that so often people see something they don't like and don't want coming out of Congress and they're saying to themselves, "Won't even one of those useless political hacks oppose this thing?". Over and over, it has been Ron Paul who is the only one who will oppose those things. And he does it standing as squarely as he can on the Constitution and speaking the language of liberty.

It's not so much his current positions on any matter, especially Iraq. It's where he's stood and the loyalty he's earned over the years of his congressional career. It's interesting to see how he can survive so well when he's so often stood alone as Dr. No when the rest of the useless congresscritters are rushing to pass the latest un-American feel-good nonsense or hand out more pork.

Devising new ways to slice up the hog isn't really the work of statesmen or patriots.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Ron Paul sides with the so-called "9/11 truthers," who believe that the collapse of the WTC buildings was part of some vast governmental conspiracy.

Ron Paul is a whack job.

[Kevmo]

Here’s a viable unbiased measure of who actually “wins” a debate, at least with the folks who put their money where their mouth is.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1828433/posts?page=37#16

The day after the debate — CHANGED nomination probabilities, per Intrade contracts:

Rudy Giuliani 29.9% (-2.1%)
F Thompson 16.3% (+1.2%)
Mitt Romney 17.5% (+2.2%)
Ron Paul 0.4% (+0.2%)

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Today’s posted changed values:

2008 Republican Pres Nominee(Others on Request)
2008.GOP.NOM.GIULIANI -0.4
2008.GOP.NOM.MCCAIN -0.5
2008.GOP.NOM.THOMPSON(F) -0.1
2008.GOP.NOM.ROMNEY -0.7
2008.GOP.NOM.GINGRICH -0.1
2008.GOP.NOM.HAGEL -0.0
2008.GOP.NOM.HUCKABEE +0.0
2008.GOP.NOM.RICE +0.0
2008.GOP.NOM.BROWNBCK -0.1
2008.GOP.NOM.PAUL +0.0
2008.GOP.NOM.HUNTER +0.0
2008.GOP.NOM.CHENEY +0.0
2008.GOP.NOM.THOMPSON(T)-0.1
2008.GOP.NOM.TANCREDO +0.0

[carenot]

Ron Paul has an isolationist mentality...

Yes, he does. That is why I will vote for him.

[BillyBoy]

>> I shall leave you to the falsehood of your vain Imaginations, and content myself with the FACT that Ron Paul was Ronald Reagan's chosen Leader of his Electoral Delegation from Texas. <<

That's cute, but unfortunately you're getting your elections mixed up. Paul was a Reagan delegate in 1976, when Reagan lost the GOP nomination. Ed Clark, the Libertarian nominee, was Reagan's opponent in 1980. If the one million libertarians who agree with Paul's foreign policy had supported Reagan's ideas, they would have voted for him. They didn't. They voted for Clark in that election. Nothing you say or do will change that FACT.

Paul's isolationist platform has far, far more in common with Ed Clark's isolationist platform. In the words of Ed Clark's libertarian supporters, Reagan's platform represented "whooping it up for more and more war: in Korea. at the Berlin Wall, in Cuba, in Vietnam. Only recently Reagan called for a “vast” (his word) increase in military spending when we already have enough missiles to destroy Russia many times over in a second nuclear strike. Reagan calls for intervention everywhere, in the Persian Gulf and Afghanistan, and demands the blockade of Cuba in alleged retaliation for the incursion into Afghanistan."

If you'd like to dispute that fact and claim that Paul's platform somehow resembles Reagan's above policy, feel free to do so. In the debate I watched, Paul denounced such a platform as 180o degrees away from his own beliefs and made his opposition to Bush following such polices a centerpiece of his campaign.

[carenot]

Ron Paul: Against Iraq War.

He sure is!
Ain't it great?