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Mitt Romney against 'Big Love'[troubled by Mormonism's polygamous past]
people.monstersandcritics.com ^ | 5-11-2007 | Stone Martindale May

Posted on 05/11/2007 10:12:33 AM PDT by bedolido

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To: restornu

“Another misnomer of yours FastCoyote, a prophet is only a prophet when he is under the influence of the Holy Spirit, elsewise he is a man like anyone else!”

I’m under the influence of the Holy Spirit right now and I’m telling you you don’t know what you are talking about.

You wouldn’t defy a prophet would you?


141 posted on 05/12/2007 8:15:34 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: MHGinTN

“but to seek the destruction of indivudals’ religious faith when dispare will be the obvious overwhelming result that will follow,”

I work for an atheist Mormon who came to that kind of dispair on his own. I’m not asking Mormons to give up Christ or God, just Joseph Smith and the BOM. I’ve seen enough of the opposite, people caught up in the Mormon hive to the point of dispair.

The truth will set you free.


142 posted on 05/12/2007 8:20:16 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote

This kind of thinking must carry over into all your coversation on various topics.

Your family and friends must find it hard to converse with you, because you will even take common sense and argue with it!


143 posted on 05/12/2007 8:38:51 PM PDT by restornu (As I have Love you Love One To Another By This Shall Men know Ye Are My Disciples!)
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To: restornu

Resty, you appear to not understand entrepreneurs. Being grounded in common sense is common with them. Being weird is a rarity. It isn’t likely FC is weird. He is however not prone to suffer prevaricators, judging by the posts we’ve seen.


144 posted on 05/12/2007 9:10:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: DelphiUser
Yep...with my family in tow.

Hope all is well with you.

redrock

145 posted on 05/13/2007 12:10:43 AM PDT by redrock ("I'll learn to speak Spanish.......when it snows in Hell.")
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To: Vermont Lt
I think I am doing alright, and until God tells me different I am going to stay the course.

This is a SURE way to get a lot of folks praying for you!

Be sure you are NOT one of THESE folks:

KJV Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?


I will stand at the gates of heaven and chuckle as you discover that your intolerance will not let you in.

KJV Ezekiel 33:11
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

It appears you'll laugh alone then.



146 posted on 05/13/2007 4:49:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nowandlater
First of all, you are confusing the 'New and Everlasting' convenant which is all the blessings which flow from Jesus Christ's sacrifice with plural marriage.

I am CONFUSING nothing. If posting your founders very words are confusing; well... who's fault is that?

Does plain English need to be spun so to get it to mean something different now?

147 posted on 05/13/2007 4:52:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redrock
I have lived in Utah for almost 30 years...and am not LDS.

Then what ARE you?

148 posted on 05/13/2007 4:53:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redrock
I have found that some of the strongest supporters of the Constitution ARE members of the LDS Church (it's how they prefer to be called).

Amen!

I can definitely agree with this!

No one has 'bashed' them for their patriotism, conservatism, family values, healthy lifestyles - just their religion; which significantly differs from orthodox Christianity.

149 posted on 05/13/2007 4:56:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FastCoyote
Right in the middle of this paragraph you are passing judgement on my faith when the constitution said there shall be NO religious test!

Hmmm... didn't know she was running for office...


 
 

NIV Luke 7:43
   Simon replied, "I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled."   "You have judged correctly," Jesus said.
 

NIV Luke 12:57
   "Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right?
 

NIV 1 Corinthians 5:12
   What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?   (LDS do claim to be the Church)
 

NIV 1 Corinthians 6:2
   Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?   (LDS are NOT the ones mentioned here.)

150 posted on 05/13/2007 5:05:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
If the religion is not from God giving them the claimed authority, what are they left with for their flock? Consider the flock.


NIV Jeremiah 10:21
   The shepherds are senseless and do not inquire of the LORD; so they do not prosper and all their flock is scattered.
 

NIV Jeremiah 12:10
  Many shepherds will ruin my vineyard and trample down my field; they will turn my pleasant field into a desolate wasteland.
 

NIV Jeremiah 23:1
 "Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!" declares the LORD.
 

NIV Jeremiah 25:34-36
 34.  Weep and wail, you shepherds; roll in the dust, you leaders of the flock. For your time to be slaughtered has come; you will fall and be shattered like fine pottery.
 35.  The shepherds will have nowhere to flee, the leaders of the flock no place to escape.
 36.  Hear the cry of the shepherds, the wailing of the leaders of the flock, for the LORD is destroying their pasture.
 

NIV Jeremiah 50:6
  "My people have been lost sheep; their shepherds have led them astray and caused them to roam on the mountains. They wandered over mountain and hill and forgot their own resting place.

151 posted on 05/13/2007 5:11:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FastCoyote
...atheist Mormon ...

Wouldn't that be an EX Mormon?

Or maybe an agnostic ex-Mormon?

152 posted on 05/13/2007 5:13:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

“This kind of thinking must carry over into all your coversation on various topics.

Your family and friends must find it hard to converse with you, because you will even take common sense and argue with it!”

I do know that those who haven’t listened to me in the business realm have passed up many millions of dollars in profits, so perhaps my being hard to converse with is because people have plugged their ears to “common sense”.


153 posted on 05/13/2007 6:22:37 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Elsie

“...atheist Mormon ...

Wouldn’t that be an EX Mormon?

Or maybe an agnostic ex-Mormon?”

point taken, perhaps “atheist BECAUSE he was Mormon”


154 posted on 05/13/2007 6:26:17 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: nowandlater

[Ok, maybe we should test Mormons before they can run for president.

We should ask them does your faith make you feel like you are above the law?
Or maybe we should ask, do you feel like you can not make mistakes?
Or we can ask will you display favoritism to your fellow believers?
Or can we ask if he feels his above his fellow man by some sort of divine mandate?

Wait a second, Hillary would answer yes to all those questions. I guess that make her a Mormon, right?]

You have inadvertentedly hit the nail on the head. Hillary does indeed have some of the character flaws, though hers are driven by religious cunicism while Mormons like Harry Reid are at leasdt in part driven to it by the god-Man doctrines of their sect. Scientologists are similarly so driven, that’s why Tom Cruise is astable and nutty as a loon.

[P.S. Personally, I think our theology does not affect our behavior on these matters one iota differently from any other group.]

What you are implying is that religious faith has zero impact on your crucial decision making processes, which in my opinion is absurd.

“We are just like everyone else and must be judged individually. If Mitt is judged individually he passes these questions with flying colors.”

Except as demonstrated even here, Mormons group think to a high degree. Unless Bishop Mitt wants to claim he is completely Jack Mormon, the problem remains.


155 posted on 05/13/2007 6:40:49 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Elsie

The Lord’s Covenant People

“Chapter 15: The Lord’s Covenant People,” Gospel Principles, 95

From the beginning the Lord has made covenants with his children on earth. When his people make covenants (or promises) with him, they know what he expects of them and what blessings they may expect from him. They can better carry out his work on earth. The people who covenant with the Lord and with whom the Lord makes covenants are known as the Lord’s covenant people. Members of the Church are part of the Lord’s covenant people.

Discussion

  • • Read Deuteronomy 26:18. What does the Lord mean when he calls his people a peculiar people?

  • • Why are Latter-day Saints called a covenant people?

What Is a Covenant?

Within the gospel, a covenant means a sacred agreement or mutual promise between God and a person or a group of people. In making a covenant, God promises a blessing for obedience to particular commandments. He sets the terms of his covenants, and he reveals these terms to his prophets. If we choose to obey the terms of the covenant, we receive promised blessings. If we choose not to obey, he withholds the blessings, and in some instances a penalty also is given.

For example, when we join the Church we make several covenants with God (see chapter 20, “Baptism”). We covenant with the Savior at baptism to take upon ourselves his name. He promises that “as many as … are baptized in my name, which is Jesus Christ, and endure to the end, the same shall be saved” (D&C 18:22). We covenant with the Lord as we partake of the sacrament. We promise to remember him and to obey his commandments. We are promised that the Holy Spirit will be with us. (See D&C 20:77–79.) As members of the Church, we also covenant to obey the law of chastity, to keep the Sabbath day holy, and to be honest. When we enter into the eternal marriage covenant, we make other sacred promises and are promised exaltation for faithful obedience (see D&C 132; see also chapter 47 in this manual).

God has also made special covenants with particular persons or groups. He made special covenants with Adam, Enoch, Noah, the children of Israel, and Lehi (see Moses 6:52; 6:31–36; Genesis 9:9–17; Exodus 19:5–6; 2 Nephi 1). He made a special covenant with Abraham and his descendants that blesses members of the Church today.

Discussion

  • • What is a covenant?

  • • What kinds of covenants have we made with God?

  • • What blessings has he promised us for keeping certain covenants?

God’s Covenant with Abraham and His Descendants

Abraham, an Old Testament prophet, was a very righteous man. He refused to worship his father’s idols. He kept all of the Lord’s commandments. Because of Abraham’s righteousness, the Lord made a covenant with him and his descendants.

The Lord promised Abraham that he would have numberless descendants. He promised that all of them would be entitled to receive the gospel, the blessings of the priesthood, and all of the ordinances of exaltation. These descendants, through the power of the priesthood, would carry the gospel to all nations. Through them, all the families of the earth would be blessed (see Abraham 2:11). God further promised that if they were righteous he would establish his covenant with all generations of Abraham’s children (see Genesis 17:4–8).

God made the same covenant with Abraham’s son Isaac and again with Isaac’s son Jacob. God changed Jacob’s name to Israel. Since that time, the descendants of Jacob, called Israelites, have been known as God’s covenant people.

Discussion

  • • Read Abraham 2:9–11. List the promises that God has made to his covenant people.

Members of the Church Are a Covenant People

The blood descendants of Abraham are not the only people whom God calls his covenant people. In speaking to Abraham, God said, “As many as receive this Gospel shall be called after thy name, and shall be accounted thy seed [lineage], and shall rise up and bless thee, as their father” (Abraham 2:10). Thus, two groups of people are included in the covenant made with Abraham: (1) Abraham’s righteous blood descendants and (2) those adopted into his lineage by accepting and living the gospel of Jesus Christ.

When we are baptized into the Church, we are adopted into Abraham’s family and have part in the covenant the Lord made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (see Galatians 3:26–29). If we are obedient, we inherit the blessings of that covenant. We have the right to receive help and guidance from the Holy Ghost. We have the right to hold the priesthood. We can gain eternal life in the celestial kingdom. There are no greater blessings than these.

Along with the blessings we receive as the Lord’s covenant people, we have great responsibilities. The Lord promised Abraham that through his descendants the gospel would be taken to all the earth. We are fulfilling this responsibility through the full-time missionary program of the Church and the missionary work done by the members. This opportunity to preach the gospel to all the world belongs only to the Lord’s Church and his covenant people.

As the Lord’s covenant people, we must keep his commandments. The Lord said, “I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise” (D&C 82:10). If we reject our covenant after accepting the gospel, the covenant becomes void and we will stand condemned before God (see D&C 132:4). He has said: “Refrain from sin, lest sore judgments fall upon your heads. For of him unto whom much is given much is required; and he who sins against the greater light shall receive the greater condemnation” (D&C 82:2–3).

Discussion

  • • Read the words of the Savior in Matthew 5:14–16. What responsibility do we have as members of the Church to be a light (example) unto the world?

  • • What does this have to do with how we dress, act, and keep the commandments of God?

  • • What happens when we break a covenant we have made?

The New and Everlasting Covenant

The fulness of the gospel is called the new and everlasting covenant. It includes the covenants made at baptism, during the sacrament, in the temple, and at any other time. The Lord calls it “everlasting” because it is ordained by an everlasting God and because the covenant will never be changed. He gave this same covenant to Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, and other prophets. In this sense it is not new. But the Lord calls it “new” because each time the gospel is restored after being taken from the earth, it is new to the people who receive it (see Jeremiah 31:31–34; Ezekiel 37:26).

When we accept the new and everlasting covenant, we agree to repent, be baptized, receive the Holy Ghost, receive our endowments, receive the covenant of marriage in the temple, and follow and obey Christ to the end of our lives. As we keep our covenants, our Heavenly Father promises us that we will receive exaltation in the celestial kingdom (see D&C 132:20–24; see also chapter 47 in this manual).

How blessed we are to be God’s covenant people. To the faithful Saint, the Lord has promised, “All that my Father hath shall be given unto him” (D&C 84:38). The greatness of that promise is hard for mortals to understand. The commandments he gives are for our benefit, and as we are faithful we may forever share the blessings and beauties of heaven and earth. We may live in his presence and partake of his love, compassion, power, greatness, knowledge, wisdom, glory, and dominions.

Discussion

  • • What do we agree to do when we enter the new and everlasting covenant?

Additional Scriptures


156 posted on 05/13/2007 8:10:36 AM PDT by nowandlater
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To: Elsie

Wow Elsie, I just read your full post about why the Mormons gave up polygamy. Seems revelation comes not only from God, but also fear of being thrown in the Holy slammer for a few years.


157 posted on 05/13/2007 10:44:01 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: nowandlater

I’m curious, that book of Abraham you cite as evidence of your assertions, is that the same papyrus that was proven to be a funerary document of mummification process blessings according to documented hieroglyphics experts? You don’t know where to quite, do you? It isn’t enough for us to show Smith was a charlatan, you try to use his faked documents to prove your ‘peculiar’ beliefs! Get a clue, stop before you expose much more of the heresies.


158 posted on 05/13/2007 4:10:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
Questions about the Book of Abraham, Part 3:
Does it Agree with other Ancient Texts?

Critics of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham have frequently largely the actual text that he presented to the world as his translation of an ancient Egyptian scroll. Shouldn't the text itself be held up for examination? In fact, it contains numerous hints that point to ancient origins, as we explore here. This is Part 3 of a three-part series on the Book of Abraham, all of which is part of my suite of "Mormon Answers: Frequently Asked Questions about Latter-day Saint Beliefs." This work is solely the responsibility of Jeff Lindsay and is subject to all manner of human error and bias - but I try to be accurate.

Foreword

Part 1 of the Book of Abraham FAQ deals primarily with questions about the source of the Book of Abraham, including a discussion of the original scrolls and the existing papyrus fragments, as well as the Egyptian papers. Part 2 deals with the content of the book and Joseph Smith's comments on three Egyptian drawings that have been attached to the published Book of Abraham. The Book of Abraham can be read online at LDS.org, facsimiles included.

LDSFAQ main index

A key reference cited and discussed below is Traditions about the Early Life of Abraham, edited by John A. Tvedtnes, Brian M. Hauglid, and John Gee (Provo, Utah: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 2001). A photo of the cover of this highly recommended work of scholarship is shown to the right (the price is $49 from FARMS - a genuine bargain). Prior to publication of that collection, John Tvedtnes offered a survey of some of that material in a 1999 lecture, "Abrahamic Lore in Support of the Book of Abraham," available as FARMS Paper TVE-99a (FARMS, Provo, Utah). Related resources include Hugh Nibley's book, Abraham in Egypt, especially the first chapter, which refutes some common complaints about the Book of Abraham and makes insightful comparisons to some other ancient documents that Joseph Smith could not have known about. There is also some intriguing Book of Abraham information by Kerry A. Shirts, and an interesting 1968 thesis on this topic by Rabbi Nissim Wernick entitled A Critical Analysis of the Book of Abraham in the Light of Extra-Canonical Jewish Writings which was done at BYU.

2007 Update: Understanding the Egyptian Facsimiles Through a Semitic Lens
Kevin Barney's chapter, "The Facsimiles and Semitic Adaptation of Existing Sources" in Astronomy, Papyrus, and Covenant, edited by John Gee and Brian M. Hauglid (Provo, Utah: Brigham Young University, 2005), pp. 107-130, is now available online. In this excellent work, Barney considers precedents for Egyptian stories that have been assimilated into Jewish literature, with the Egyptian elements having been modified when viewed through a Semitic lens. He suggests that this approach helps explain some aspects of the Book of Abraham facsimiles. When the Semitic lens is applied to the Egyptian representations, Joseph Smith's comments make much more sense. Here is an excerpt:

Specifically, we will suggest that the facsimiles may not have been drawn by Abraham's hand but may have been Egyptian religious vignettes that were adopted or adapted by an Egyptian-Jewish redactor as illustrations of the Book of Abraham. We will illustrate general processes of Jewish adaptation of Egyptian sources and then describe in detail three specific examples from the Greco-Roman period (the same period when the Joseph Smith Papyri were produced) that each relates in some way to Abraham. We will suggest that such Jewish adaptation of Egyptian sources was common during this time period and would explain the adaptation of the facsimiles to illustrate the Book of Abraham, which may have come under this redactor's care as part of the ancient transmission of the text.

Having articulated this Semitic adaptation theory, we will examine Stephen Thompson's critique of Joseph's interpretations of the facsimiles, showing how this theory resolves the issues raised by Thompson.

Barney then provides solid documentation and analysis to support his theis. I appreciate these insights. Understanding the possibility of Semitic adoption of Egyptian concepts adds new depth to our understanding of Joseph's translation of the Book of Abraham text and facsimiles, and helps us understand why the rejection of Joseph's work based on literal analysis of the Egyptian elements alone is inadequate.

Question: Do other ancient documents confirm the details in the text of the Book of Abraham?

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This is a reasonable question. After all, if the Book of Abraham really is a portion of an ancient text that was known and circulated in the past, shouldn't other ancient documents provide confirmation for the many details in the Book of Abraham that can't be found in the Bible?

Confession: I have cheated. The question above actually is NOT a frequently asked question (FAQ). Rather, it is a FREQUENTLY IGNORED QUESTION (FIQ). But to really address issues around the Book of Abraham, some of us would like to ask how Joseph Smith could fabricate a story with many details that are not found in the Bible or other sources known to Joseph, only to have those details be confirmed in numerous other ancient texts dealing with Abrahamic traditions. Translations of many of these ancient documents have been brought together in an impressive volume, Traditions about the Early Life of Abraham, ed. by John A. Tvedtnes, Brian M. Hauglid, and John Gee (Provo, Utah: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 2001, hereafter "Tvedtnes et al."). Over 500 pages of text from over 100 ancient documents provide extensive support for numerous key details in the Book of Abraham. There is an impressive breadth of sources, including ancient Jewish sources, Christian sources, Muslim sources, and other sources as well. The support for many details of the Book of Abraham is surprisingly extensive and worthy of careful investigation.

The compilation of Tvedtnes et al. is essential reading for anyone wishing to seriously study the Book of Abraham. However, I can seriously predict that this treasury of information from the ancient world will be one of the least-mentioned references in the future work of anti-Mormon critics, or will be mentioned only in passing, without addressing the numerous details pointing to ancient sources for the text of the Book of Abraham. My prediction of the silent treatment for Traditions about the Early Life of Abraham is an easy one to make. Just look at the response of critics to LDS analysis of the Apocalypse of Abraham - an ancient document dealing with Abraham that was first published in 1897 and was first translated into English the following year by two Latter-day Saints, Edward H. Anderson and R. T. Haag (Improvement Era, August 1898, pp. 705-14, 793-806). This text raised many issues in favor of the Book of Mormon that are largely ignored by critics. Further, look at how the critics closed their eyes to analysis of the Testament of Abraham, an ancient document that one non-LDS scholar describes as "a midrashic account, developed in Egypt from the LXX [Septuagint, or Greek translation], embellished by traditions from the Palestinian Targum, written in Therapeutic circles around the turn of the era [e.g., near the timeframe when Christianity began]" (George W. E. Nickelsburg, ed., Studies on the Testament of Abraham, Missoula, MT: Scholars Press, 1976, p. 19, as cited by H. Nibley, Abraham in Egypt, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1981, reprinted as Vol. 14 of The Collected Works of Hugh Nibley, Provo, UT: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 2000, pp. 26-27). Hugh Nibley's comparison of the Book of Abraham to the Apocalypse of Abraham and the Testament of Abraham has been available for over 20 years, yet, like most LDS scholarship on the Book of Abraham, the analysis remains largely ignored by critics who claim to be experts.

For a typical example of the silent treatment regarding the actual evidence, see Charles M. Larson, By His Own Hand upon Papyrus: A New Look at the Joseph Smith Papyri (Grand Rapids: Institute for Religious Research, 1992). Larson simply dismisses all of Nibley's work on ancient parallels to the Book of Abraham as a desperate effort to find evidence, resulting in mere speculation (p. 120), without ever letting his readers know what Nibley claimed to have found. Rather, he claims that

"virtually every belief about the Book of Abraham . . . has been shattered by the facts. Not one trace of reliable evidence has appeared that would support the view of the Book of Abraham as an authentic scripture, while an enormous amount of evidence is available to show it is a man-made production of the nineteenth century, created by Joseph Smith to support his claim among his people to be a 'prophet, seer, and revelator'" (p. 175).
We hope that open-minded readers of this Web page will judge for themselves whether there actually is a trace or two of evidence for the authenticity of the Book of Abraham.

Other Ancient Documents and the Book of Abraham Text

Differences between the Book of Abraham and the Bible

The Book of Abraham provides significant information that is not found in the Genesis account in the Bible (see Genesis 11 - 17, particularly Genesis 11:28-31 and Genesis 12). The additional or differing material in the Book of Abraham includes the following points:
  1. The very existence of a record written by Abraham (the Bible provides no hint that a Book of Abraham ever existed);
  2. Abraham's obvious literacy, and his possession of ancient records (Abr. 1:28)
  3. Abraham's desire to be one who "possesses great knowledge" (Abr. 1:1);
  4. His desire to be a High Priest, holding the priesthood, described as "the right belonging to the fathers" (Abr. 1:1-3);
  5. His successful quest to find God (Abr. 1:1-3 and 2:12)
  6. The rebellion of his fathers, who had once received the priesthood but turned to idol worship, according to Egyptian practices (Abr. 1:4-10);
  7. The practice of human sacrifice, including the sacrifice of children, as part of the practice of local idolaters in Chaldea (Abr. 1:7-11);
  8. The killing of people who refused to worship idols of wood or stone (Abr. 1:11);
  9. The violent seizing of Abraham by the local priest to slay Abraham also as a human sacrifice (Abr. 1:12; Facs. 1);
  10. The role of Terah, Abraham's father, in seeking to have Abraham killed (Abr. 1:30);
  11. The use of an altar fashioned like a lion couch (Facs. 1), described as a "bedstead" (Abr. 1:13), in the attempt to kill Abraham;
  12. Description of canopic jars in front of the altar in Facsimile 1 as representing pagan gods (Abr. 1:13), and a reference to the "god of Pharaoh" (Abr. 1:6) depicted as a crocodile in Facs. 1;
  13. The miraculous delivery of Abraham from death by the power of God, who sent an angel to free Abraham after Abraham cried to the Lord (Abr. 1:15; 2:13);
  14. The destruction of the altar and idols by the Lord (Abr. 1:20);
  15. Abraham's possession of sacred records the past (Abr. 1:28, 31);
  16. A famine in Chaldea, before Abraham went to Canaan (Abr. 1:29,30; 2:1)
  17. The repentance of Terah, Abraham's father, and his subsequent return to idolatry after the famine abated (Abr. 1:30; 2:5);
  18. Abraham's age of 62 years when he departed out of Haran (Abr. 2:14 - Gen. 12:4 gives 75 years);
  19. The winning of souls in Haran, apparently by Abraham's preaching, who followed Abraham into Canaan (Abr. 2:15);
  20. Building an altar in the land of Jershon before entering Canaan, where Abraham prayed for relief from the famine for the benefit of his father's family (Abr. 2:17) - two others altar would later be built (Abr. 2:18-20);
  21. Abraham's possession of the Urim and Thummim, given to him by God (Abr. 3:1);
  22. Abraham's knowledge of stars, planets, and astronomy obtained through revelation (Abr. 3:1-18);
  23. Revelation to Abraham about the premortal existence of spirits or intelligences in the presence of God, including information on a great council in heaven where plans were established for this earth and our mortal trial here (Abr. 3:18-28).
Amazingly, these differences find support, to varying degrees, in ancient texts that Joseph Smith did not have available when he translated the Book of Abraham. The tremendous support for the "daring innovations" in the Book of Abraham suggests that more than lucky guesses is involved. The Book of Abraham is remarkably consistent with numerous ancient traditions about Abraham, as one might expect if in fact it is derived from the ancient writings of Abraham. One of many interesting examples is the ancient Jewish text, Jubilees, first published in Latin in 1861 but dating to the second century B.C. or earlier, and used by some of the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Portions of Jubilees are printed in Tvedtnes et al., pp. 14-20, taken from O.S. Wintermute's English translation of the Ethiopic text, as printed in The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, ed. James H. Charlesworth (New York: Doubleday, 1985), 2:78-84, 93-99, 129. In Jubilees, I find following relationships to the Book of Abraham:

Let's look at a sampling of specifics.

Extra-biblical Texts Support the "New" Material in the Book of Abraham

In the following discussion, unless otherwise indicated, page numbers in parentheses refer to pages in Tvedtnes et al., 2001.

Issue #1: Existence of the Book of Abraham

According to Joseph Smith, there was a Book of Abraham. The Bible never mentions this, and many Bible scholars have assumed that Abraham was an illiterate farmer who would not have written a book. There was nothing in Joseph Smith's information environment to give him the idea that Abraham wrote a book of scripture. Since Joseph Smith's day, numerous sources have been discovered that point to the existence of recorded writings from Abraham. The previously mentioned Apocalypse of Abraham, the Testament of Abraham, and Jubilees are examples. Many other documents suggest that Abraham kept written records, or that records containing the words of Abraham existed. The Babylonian Talmud calls the book of "Jashar" the "book of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" (p. 123). The Muslim writer al-Masudi (died 956 A.D.) wrote that God revealed ten sacred books to Abraham (p. 353). Vettius Valens (A.D. 102-152) wrote a treatise on astrology that mentioned Abraham, referring to what "Abraham showed us in his books about this subject, clarifying the explanations of others and his own, discovering and testing other things, especially concerning the beginnings of journeys abroad. . ." (p. 477). Firmicus Maternus in the fourth century refers to a "tractate excerpted from the books of Abraham" (p. 479).

Issue #2: The attempted slaying of Abraham

Facsimile 1 in the Book of Abraham shows Abraham on a pagan altar about to be sacrificed by an idolatrous priest, and chapter 1 relates the story of how Abraham was seized, bound, and put on an altar to be sacrificed by a pagan priest, who had previously sacrificed three virgins on the same altar because they refused to worship idols.

All this is wildly innovative, based on what Joseph Smith could have known about Abraham, but it fits well with numerous ancient traditions about Abraham. In fact, so many ancient texts refer to one or more attempts to the sacrifice Abraham that one can wonder why the Bible is lacking that detail. A majority of these texts indicate that the attempted sacrifice was made by throwing Abraham into fire, from which he was delivered by God's power. Though the Book of Abraham does not say that Abraham or sacrificed victims were thrown into a fire, ancient animal sacrifices typically involved killing the animal and then burning the victim, and the same may have applied to the human sacrifices mentioned in the Book of Abraham. On the other hand, since the name of the Chaldean city, "Ur," also means fire in Hebrew, perhaps some writers have assumed that Abraham's escape from Ur of the Chaldeans was deliverance from fire, possibly blending fire into the story of his deliverance from sacrifice.

One very important ancient document is the Egyptian scroll known as P. Leiden I 384 (also called PGM XII and PDM xii), dated to the second century A.D. A figure on the scroll shows a lion couch, much like the lion-headed bedstead/altar of Facsimile 1 in the Book of Abraham. A wrapped mummy is on the couch, with the god Anubis standing over him. The associated text, though fragmentary, includes the words "Abraham who is upon" followed shortly thereafter by "bind them" and then "incinerate her" (p. 502). The words appear to be part of a love spell of some kind, but are significant in that they associate Abraham with the lion couch, as does Joseph Smith's interpretation of Facsimile 1. (Could these words reflect a tradition about Abraham's sacrifice on such bed, including the planned incineration of the victim?) A drawing and photograph of the image on the scroll are included in Tvedtnes et al., pp. 502 and 523. The word Abraham appears directly below the lion couch drawing, and the instructions on the scroll tell the user to write the words and the drawing on a new papyrus, showing that the words (including the name Abraham) and the lion couch drawing belong together.

Other examples include the following:

Issue #3: God rescues Abraham (and the role of an angel)

Abraham 1:15-17 has the Lord speaking to Abraham as he is on the altar, explaining that he has "come down" to rescue Abraham, but this occurs as the "angel of his presence" stood by Abraham. Most of the texts that discuss the attempted slaying of Abraham affirm that he was delivered by the power of God, and many times an angel plays a role in the delivery, as is taught in the Book of Abraham. Some texts say that God himself rescued Abraham directly, others say that God sent an angel, and some mention both. Examples:

Issue #4: The rebellion of Abraham's fathers

Abraham 1:5 states that Abraham's "fathers, having turned from their righteousness, and from the holy commandments which the Lord their God had given unto them, unto the worshipping of the gods of the heathen, utterly refused to hearken to my voice." We also learn that Abraham's father, Terah, worshipped idols. This is consistent with Jubilees, and other ancient sources. Genesis is silent on this, but Joshua 24:2 states that, "Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods," so one could argue that an astute student of the Bible might know this. But there are many other texts which provide further information, such as Abraham's preaching to his fathers against idolatry (Abr. 1:5). Examples include:

Issue #5: Terah sought to kill his son, Abraham

A truly surprising part of the Book of Abraham story is that Terah is behind the attempt to kill Abraham. Abraham 1:5-7 indicate that his fathers, in their rebellion, refused to listen to Abraham and "endeavored to take away my life by the hand of the priest of Elkenah" who was a priest of Pharaoh in the land of Chaldea. Interestingly, several ancient texts indicate that not only was Terah an idol worshipper, but that he was the instigator in trying to have the king or his agents kill Abraham. Examples:

Issue #6: Terah's repentance

The Book of Abraham reports that Terah, being sorely afflicted by a famine in Chaldea, repented of his evil in seeking to kill Abraham (Abr. 1:30) and then followed Abraham into Haran (Abr. 2:4), but turned again to idolatry after the famine abated (Abr. 2:5). Ibn Al-Tayyib, the Arabic Nestorian Christian of the eleventh century, a source of extensive commentary on the scripture, likewise wrote that Terah repented only half-heartedly (pp. 254-255):
Terah had already started for the promised land, and yet he remained at Haran, because his intention was not pure like that of Abraham, who was the first to turn away from the cultic objects, that is, the idols. Neither Nahor nor Bethuel nor Laban converted perfectly, even after having learned that God had helped Abraham so magnificently.
Further, the Chronicles of Jerahmeel from the twelfth century reports that Terah repented when he saw that God delivered Abraham (p. 133). The midrashic Hebrew text, Tanna debe Eliyahu, says that Terah left his dwelling place in Chaldea "for the sake of heaven," implying repentance.

Issue #7: The significance of idolatry in Abraham's story

Though one could easily and correctly assume that idolatry was widespread in Abraham's day, the Bible offers no details on this topic relevant to Abraham's life. Yet idolatry becomes a critical issue in the Book of Abraham. Abraham lives in a world dominated by idolatrous religion, with people worshipping "gods of wood or of stone" (Abr. 1:11). Three virgins are sacrificed because of their refusal to worship idols, and Abraham's life is also threatened, implicitly for the same reason. The influence of idolatry is so great that his own father is led astray and becomes an idol worshipper. But Abraham resists, and though he is nearly killed, the Lord delivers him, kills the evil priest, and breaks down the idols of the land (Abr. 1:20). These powerful collisions between idolatry and Abraham's life are persistently verified by other ancient texts. Several parallels in this area have already been given above.

Examples:

Issue #8: The sacrifice of children

According to the Book of Abraham, men, women, and children were offered up as part of the tradition of human sacrifice in Abraham's day (Abr. 1:7-11). This significant detail find widespread support in ancient sources. A few examples: A specific example cited in Abraham 1:9-11 is the sacrifice of three virgins by a priest of Pharaoh. Several ancient sources pointing to such practices are discussed by Kerry Shirts on his page, "The Sacrificial Virgins a Genuine Historical Touch."

Issue #9: Abraham's possession of ancient records

In addition to Jubilees discussed above, other sources confirm that Abraham had access to sacred records from the patriarchs. Examples:

Issue #10: Abraham and the Priesthood

The Bible indicates that Melchizedek was a priest to whom Abraham paid tithes, but does not teach that Abraham was a priest. In fact, according to the Book of Abraham, Abraham was not only a priest, but a high priest (as was Melchizedek, according to Alma 13 in the Book of Mormon - another issue challenged by a critics). These alleged innovations of Joseph Smith find strong support in other ancient texts that Joseph did not have. For example, Genesis Explanation 46:5 of Midrash Rabbah (p. 100), states:
"And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly." (Genesis 17:2)

R. Ishmael and R. Akiba [reasoned as follows]. R. Ishmael said: Abraham was a High Priest, as it says, The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent: Thou are a priest for ever after the manner of Melchizedek.

If Abraham was understood to be a high priest on the basis of Psalm 110:4, it was obviously understood that Melchizedek was a high priest as well. (Several ancient texts explicitly state that Melchizedek was a high priest, such as the writings of George Syncellus, a Byzantine scholar around 800 A.D. (p. 225), and others - see my discussion at http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_BMProb3.shtml, which treats alleged plagiarism in the Book of Mormon - see the section on Alma 13.)

This argument is further strengthened by the Pesikta Rabbati, a ninth-century Hebrew document that includes discourses from rabbis of the third and fourth centuries A.D., where we find this passage in Piska 40:6 (p. 81):

Another comment on Moriah [the mountain where Abraham was told to sacrifice Isaac]: Abraham said to God: "Master of universes, am I fit to offer Isaac up? Am I a priest? Shem is High Priest. Let him come and take Isaac from me for the offering." God replied: When though reachest the place, I will consecrate thee and make thee a priest. Accordingly, the term Moriah suggests that Abraham was to be a substitute for Shem, his replacement.
In Jewish tradition, Shem is commonly identified with Melchizedek. This passage from Pesikta Rabbati is of interest to Latter-day Saints for several reasons. It indicates that high priests were a known office in the day of Abraham, making it reasonable that Melchizedek was a high priest and showing that Abraham also became a high priest, both consistent with Alma 13. Naming Shem as a high priest is also interesting in light of the revelation in Doctrine and Covenants 138:41, wherein Joseph F. Smith had a vision in which he saw, among many others, "Shem, the great high priest."

Further, Ibn Al-Tayyib, the Arabic Nestorian Christian of the eleventh century, provided commentary on Genesis that mentions Abraham as a high priest. He wrote, "Henana says that Abraham was a high priest and son of a high priest" (p. 254). This agrees nicely with the Book of Abraham, which states that Abraham sought and received the priesthood "from the fathers" (Abr. 1:3), and the Lord later states that "I will take thee, to put upon thee my name, even the Priesthood of thy father, and my power shall be over thee" (Abr. 1:18). Thus, there is support not only for Abraham as a high priest, but also for the Book of Abraham teaching that Abraham's father was a high priest.

The rabbinic understanding that Abraham was a high priest also resonates with the material on Abraham that was provided through Joseph Smith. In light of Alma 13 and other statements about Abraham and the Priesthood, LDS scriptures teach that Abraham was one of the "many" who became high priests anciently (Alma 13:10 - see also Alma 13:6-10, where the whole context of this chapter is about those who became high priests). Doctrine and Covenants 84:14 teaches that Abraham received the priesthood from Melchizedek, and Abraham 1:2 teaches that Abraham became a high priest, "holding the right belonging to the fathers," desiring to be "a prince of peace" (as was Melchizedek in Alma 13). To the critics, this must appear to be a radical innovation of Joseph Smith. But as we saw above, Abraham was understood to be a high priest in at least some ancient Jewish traditions.

The Midrash Rabbah, Genesis Explanation 55:6 (p. 101 of Tvedtnes et al.), provides further evidence that rabbis understood Abraham to have been a priest like Melchizedek:

R. Joshua said: . . . Now Abraham said, Here am I - ready for priesthood, ready for kingship, and he attained priesthood and kingship. He attained priesthood, as is says, The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent: Thou are a priest for ever after the manner of Melchizedek; kingship: Thou art a mighty prince among us..
This rabbinic statement pointing to the priestly/kingly parallels between Abraham and Melchizedek resonates with the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham, where both Abraham and Melchizedek were or sought to become "princes of peace" and high priests.

The Babylonian Talmud indicates that the priesthood was given to Abraham, and that he was a priest because of the words of Melchizedek (p. 120). Genesis Explanation 55:7 in Midrash Rabbah also has R. Judah affirm that Abraham was a priest, citing again Psalm 110:4. Further, Leviticus Explanation 25:6 in Midrash Rabbah reports that:

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael: The Holy One, blessed be He, sought to make Shem the progenitor of the priesthood; for it says, And Melchizedek king of Salem... was priest of God. But when he blessed Abraham before blessing the Omnipresent and Abraham said to him: "Should the blessing of the servant be given priority over the blessing of the Master?", the Holy One, blessed be He, took the priesthood away from him and gave it to Abraham; as may be proved by the fact that it says, The Lord saith unto my lord, and after this it is written, The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent: Thou art a priest for ever after the manner (dibrathi) of Melchizedek; this means: after the speech (dibbur) of Melchizedek. Hence it is written, Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Maker of heaven and earth. R. Ishmael and R. Akiba reasoned differently. R. Ishmael holds that Abraham was a High Priest. Thus it is written, "The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent: Thou art a priest for ever."
(Tvedtnes et al., p. 105)
A similar point in made Numbers Explanation 4:8 of the Midrash Rabbah, stating that Shem passed the priestly office on to Abraham who received it not because he was a firstborn, but because he was a righteous man (ibid., p. 109).

There are other ancient documents which suggest that Abraham was a high priest. For example, Ibn Al-Tayyib, the Arabic Nestorian Christian who lived in Baghdad during the eleventh century and provided numerous writings about religion, appears to have been familiar with traditions regarding Abraham. He writes, "Henana says that Abraham was a high priest and son of a high priest. . . ." (p. 254). Certainly, if Abraham was a high priest, Melchizedek must have been a high priest, also. Thus, LDS scriptures appear to be on solid ground on this point.

Issue #11: Abraham the missionary

Genesis 12:5 speaks of souls that Abraham "had gotten in Haran," leading many to think this referred to purchased slaves or servants. The Book of Abraham indicates that these were converts that Abraham won. Many ancient documents confirm this concept. Examples:

Issue #12: Abraham teaches astronomy

Facsimile 3 shows Abraham on the throne of Pharaoh, as his honored guest, teaching principles of astronomy. This concept must have seemed utterly ridiculous based on what was known about Abraham in his day, though if he had read enough he might have found a couple of sentences supporting this idea. The hint is buried within the writings of Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 1, chapters 7 and 8), who states that Abraham was skilled in "celestial science" and later that he taught astronomy to the Egyptians. There is no evidence that Joseph studied Josephus prior to translating the Book of Abraham, and even if he had, would had noticed this trivial detail and known to take it seriously? But it's a detail worthy of serious attention, for numerous ancient texts confirm this point, and confirm additional details of the Book of Abraham regarding astronomy that no one could have gleaned from Josephus. Examples:

Issue #13: God teaches astronomy to Abraham

Abraham 3 describes how Abraham learned of the stars and the heavens. He had a tool God gave him, the Urim and Thummim, through which he saw the stores, including the one closest to God's throne (Abr. 3:1-2). God then explained the stars to Abraham, indicating which were the greatest or governing stars, and revealed to him further details through the Urim and Thummim, such as the "times and seasons in the revolutions" of the stars (v. 4), and information about the earth, the sun, the moon, and planets. In one dramatic portion of Abraham 3, God puts his hand over Abraham's eyes and shows him all his works:
11 Thus I, Abraham, talked with the Lord, face to face, as one man talketh with another; and he told me of the works which his hands had made;
12 And he said unto me: My son, my son (and his hand was stretched out), behold I will show you all these. And he put his hand upon mine eyes, and I saw those things which his hands had made, which were many; and they multiplied before mine eyes, and I could not see the end thereof.
13 And he said unto me: This is Shinehah, which is the sun. And he said unto me: Kokob, which is star. And he said unto me: Olea, which is the moon. And he said unto me: Kokaubeam, which signifies stars, or all the great lights, which were in the firmament of heaven.
14 And it was in the night time when the Lord spake these words unto me: I will multiply thee, and thy seed after thee, like unto these; and if thou canst count the number of sands, so shall be the number of thy seeds.
15 And the Lord said unto me: Abraham, I show these things unto thee before ye go into Egypt, that ye may declare all these words.
Thus, the information on astronomy that Abraham taught in Egypt was based on revelation from God, in which he saw stars without end. This is attested in the Pesikta Rabbati, a ninth-century Hebrew document that includes discourses from rabbis of the third and fourth centuries A.D. This document states that "God let Abraham first see a definite number of stars, and then turned around and let him see an infinite number. . . . And why did he show him [heaven] in this way? Because by such symbols He showed him how He would increase the children of Israel in the world" (p. 78). Abraham sees first one, then two, then three, then twelve, then seventy, "and finally stars without end" (p. 79). Abraham is also said to be likened to the sun, Isaac to the moon, and his children to the stars.

Further examples:

Issue #14: Abraham's desire to be one who "possesses great knowledge"

Many texts confirm this. Other documents supporting the notion of Abraham teaching astronomy or being knowledgeable in it include the Greek Orphica and others.

Issue #15: God warns Abraham that the Egyptians will want to kill him to get his wife

According to the Book of Abraham, it is the Lord who warned Abraham that the Egyptians would want to kill him to get his beautiful wife. The Lord then directs Abraham to say that she is his sister in order to save his life. Genesis only reports that Abraham told his wife to say she was his sister, and does not mention that the idea came from God. The added information in the Book of Abraham finds support in several ancient texts. Examples:

Issue #16: God shows Abraham the heavens and other souls (including those in the premortal existence)

The Book of Abraham provides some of the richest information in the scriptures on the premortal existence. In Abraham 3, God shows Abraham the spirits that were created before the world was formed, and shows him many great and noble souls. God explains that Abraham was one of these, and was chosen before he was born (Abr. 3:23). This material regarding Abraham and the premortal existence is not in the Bible, but is found in other ancient texts. Examples:

Issue #17: Abraham honored by kings - or on a throne

Abraham is shown sitting on Pharaoh's throne in Facsimile 3, where the caption says "Abraham is reasoning upon the principles of Astronomy, in the king's court." There is no mention of such a scene in the Bible, no reference to Abraham being honored in the court of the king or being treated like a king. But these concepts are consistent with ancient reports that God made Abraham a king, or that Pharaoh honored Abraham in his court, or that other kings honored Abraham. In addition to previously given examples about Abraham honored by kings for his wisdom or teaching kings astronomy, here are further relevant examples:

Issue #18: The famine in Chaldea (the first of two famines)

There were two famines in Abraham's life according to the Book of Abraham. The Bible tells of just one when he went to Egypt. The other one in the Book of Abraham occurred when Abraham was in Ur of the Chaldees. Several documents confirm that famine in Chaldea played an important role in the story of Abraham:

A sampling of other correlations

Time does not permit me to relate many of the details uncovered by Tvedtnes et al., but I'll mention a few more I find interesting:

Related resources To the index at the top

Web Sites

Some items related to the Book of Abraham are available on the Internet. These include:
The FARMS Homepage
FARMS is the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies. Through FARMS, you can access the Book of Abraham project.

The Joseph Smith Hypocephalus: Twenty Years Later
This article by Michael D. Rhodes provides an excellent discussion of Facsimile #2 and the amazingly reasonable commentary of Joseph Smith, which could not have been fabricated based on scholarly knowledge in the 1830s. Critics will have a hard time explaining how Joseph Smith was able to offer such plausible commentary.

The Lost Book of Abraham: Investigating a Remarkable Anti-Mormon Claim
This paper by Ben McGuire on the FAIRLDS.org Website presents a review of an anti-LDS film entitled The Lost Book of Abraham: Investigating a Remarkable Mormon Claim. An excellent review!

Kerry A. Shirts' "Mormonism Researched" Site
A tremendous resource is back online at last! Kerry offers a bundle of valuable information on the Book of Abraham and other LDS topics. See, for example, his article, "Abraham 3:13 - Shinehah - the Sun: Joseph Smith Shines Through on This One Also." Can the critics explain this one away?

The Book of Abraham Project
A project at BYU dealing with the documents and criticisms of the Book of Abraham. Be sure to see the page Criticisms of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham.

John Gee's review of Charles M. Larson's book, By His Own Hand upon Papyrus: A New Look at the Joseph Smith Papyri, (Grand Rapids: Institute for Religious Research, 1992).

Michael Rhodes' review of By His Own Hand upon Papyrus.

A Critical Analysis of the Book of Abraham in the Light of Extra-Canonical Jewish Writings
Rabbi Nissim Wernick's 1968 thesis completed at BYU. Provides lots of useful information from ancient sources that are aligned with the Book of Abraham.

Hugh Nibley's talk on the three facsimiles of the Book of Abraham
Nibley discusses many relationships to other documents and events.

The Melchizedek Material in Alma 13:13-19 by John Welch.

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To: MHGinTN

I love talking about the Book of Abraham. :)


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