Posted on 05/10/2007 7:18:51 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
However, no solutions offered as usual. If I had a 6'2" out of control 220 pounder on my hands and no Daddy in the house, nothing short of a shock collar would work.
More wonderful by-products of forty years of Socialism in this state & nation. *SIGH
No wonder the lefties hate voucher schools -- kids there actually have a chance to learn.
When I was growing up in Texas (60s and early 70s), about every high school had a big, tough coach of some sort or another, who wielded a large, knotched paddle...and was willing to use it on 16-18 year old boys if necessary.
Old Dub Johnson from my younger days (at 6’ 6” and about 260 lbs of hard, lean toughness) would not have been intimidated by this 6’ 2” 240 lb boy. He was a good guy...likable, fair...but if you were a trouble maker, you were intimidated by him and discipline was maintained.
They should have one of those in every school, IMHO.
But that wouldn’t be “fair” and might damage the little darlings’ “self-esteeeeeeeeeme!”
Naturally the students have done nothing wrong, and when the teachers and administration attempt to deal with the child, they are the ones who are wrong.
So, remove the problem child from the school and lo and behold, the mother can do no better with the child!
Amazing. And some wonder why schools are not doing well.
Shame you preach to the choir here on FR.
I go eyeball to eyeball with my 6’2 son on a regular basis - he’s a foot taller than I am. He has Aspergers’ and a bad temper and I prevail. (I have wanted a shock collar sometimes.)
If you have a difficult son, you better prepare for the day he is bigger than you are and establish an unyielding moral authority and will while you can.
Mrs VS
Funny. My best buddy (former High School/small college running back) was, for a while, Headmaster at a Catholic HS in Texas. He would roam the halls between classes carrying a 39” Louisville Slugger.
He also had no qualms about jacking a kid up by the neck and slamming him against the wall.
Most parents LOVED him!
AS PUBLIC SCHOOLS SHOULD BE!!!!
They are and should always be the education of LAST RESORT. They are there to ensure everyone does at least have access to an education, but the idea that they should be the first choice is foolishness.
Those that subject their children to the godless and mind numbing institutions known as public schools and have the means and ability not to are fools.
I agree with you Shag, the problems are NOT created by the schools, the problems existed prior to the "child" entering the schools.
Like you, I can remember a teacher who took it to kids who were out of line. One that I witnessed required new locker doors on a couple of lockers. But I don’t remember another incident that year. Not a one.
Exactly,
You do nothing to control your son when he’s 2’ tall, don’t expect that you’ll be able to control him when he’s 6’ tall. Unfortunately most of these parents don’t parent much at all which is why their kids are often messed.. combine this with the fact that the vast majority don’t have a father and well... no wonder you wind up with the problems you have.
Without the guiding influence of a Father in the home, a boy is lost as he enters manhood... and it amazes me that the feminists will say “its ok as long as he has a father ‘figure’”... as though that’s all a father is... Notice how noone says, oh they’ll be ok as long as they have a mother ‘figure’.
Until the inner city family (yes a FAMILY, MOTHER, FATHER & KIDS, not this nonsense that anyone living in the same house makes a family) particularly the black inner city family starts to exist again, you will see nothing more than the continued decay.
Why?
Why would you want to wear one of those?
Because they are indeed exactly that, the education of last resort. They are to ensure everyone in our nation gets at least a basic education.. that is all. They cannot turn away students... They are not the first choice if you wish your child educated.
Public schools are ALWAYS outperformed by private schools, there may be a scam private school here or there, but as a whole, public schools do not remotely educate kids as well as their private counterparts.
For instance in my local public gradeschool, there is a child who literally roams the halls all day long, whenever he feels like it he gets up and wanders around, the teachers don’t stop him and he is violent and frankly mentally unstable. The other children in the class avoid him, and the teacher and administration cannot get rid of him.. he disrupts the class, hinders the other childrens learning, etc etc etc...
Public schools are hamstrung by having to take everyone, including children whos parents teach them nothing... In California, where Asian and Arab families are common, a boy is taught to show ZERO respect for any woman other than their mother.... so guess what happens as these little $hit$ enter school and have female teachers through most of their schooling?
Your child deserves to be educated, not indoctrinated, and not hamstrung by PC nonsense. Public schools anymore produce children who after 12 years of “education” are incapable of making the most rudimentary of judgemental decisions. They may have memorized facts, but are incapable of applying those facts to make rational and reasonable judgements and discriminations in their lives.
Go read “The closing of the American Mind”.
Its no coincidence that those closes to the public school systems, particularly teachers, often send their children to private schools.
And lets not even get into how private schools per pupil are cheaper and produce better outcomes than their public school counterparts. Private schools do not have Unionized work forces, pay, promote and fire based on performance, not seniority, and have absolutely no issue telling a family who doesn’t discipline their child to take them elsewhere and stop wasting the time of every other student.
While I agree that may be the case in many public schools, it is not the case in all. There are many that do not fall into the category you describe and can be selective as to what students they accept.
My daughter is in 3rd gradein a public school, the teachers are not unionized in the classic sense of the word, and the school does not hesitate to expel problem children. Children who are disruptive are disciplined and parents are notified - I should know, I’ve had my fair share of notes and phone calls from my daughter’s teachers about her pention for talking and/or playing when she should be paying attention.
My husband and I specifically chose this school and school district and moved from another state where decent schools, both public and private, have waiting lists because the majority of schools, both public and private, are downright lousy.
Gabz,
Sorry, numbers don’t lie. As a whole Public schools cannot hold a candle to a private school. Are there some bad private schools? Sure, there are always exceptions to the rule.
However, as a whole public schools cannot remotely compete with Private, they are hamstrung by political requirements, not educational ones.
I really encourage you to read “The Closing of the American Mind”, and you might get a bit enlightened what exactly goes on in the education of even the “better” public schools, and see what the end product they generally produce is.
When God, boy scouts and traditional values are the enemy, and hedonism is just another lifetstyle choice, this is not an environment that will produce rational thinking adults, it is impossible.
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Private schools do not have Unionized work forces, pay, promote and fire based on performance, not seniority, and have absolutely no issue telling a family who doesn’t discipline their child to take them elsewhere and stop wasting the time of every other student.
Exactly how will the private school excel in educating this child where the public school has failed? I do not know the child nor the situation, but it sounds to me as if the child may have some disabilities. And if the child is as incorrigible as you say, what private school would take the child?
Okay, so take the child in this thread, or the child you mentioned. What do you do with the child once the private school kicks them out? Since it is private, they can pick and choose their students, even if the parents can afford the school, the private school does not have to accept the child. Period. They can pick and choose. Fair? Not really, it is business.
Every child does deserve an education, but no school can force a child to learn.
Exactly, the public school system is the BASELINE is the net that makes sure everyone at least gets an education, it is NOT and should NEVER BE the first choice... That’s my point.
Its the choice of last resort, and should be so.
And as to a child with special needs not being able to get educated other than public school, not remotely true. There are private schools that specialize in educating such children, and do a far better job that the “mainstream” public school approaches.
Far and away the most poignant quote on this thread...
Please understand I don't want to cause a flame war, only to get folks to think and realize things. I agree, there are some fine private schools for special needs kids, but too many factors, extrinsic and intrinsic, to really discuss now. Factors aside, you can still kick kids out of a private school. I have seen it done.
For some kids, the public school is not the last choice, but the only choice. Homeschool, while on the surface is a viable option, but again, those factors kick in.
You make good sense, don't get me wrong, but I have been on both sides and I am a public school teacher, (gasp!) NEA member, and parent.:) I will have my kids in a public school with no concerns.
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