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To: ClearCase_guy

The problem with pure libertarians is the fact that they get to the word ‘freedom’ and stop thinking right there. Pure libertarianism is selfishness with no thought about the effect on society.

For instance the claim that legalizing drugs will empty our prisons. The fact is that there are very few people in prison for simple drug use. Most are there for crimes they committed while under the influence of the drugs or in an attempt to get the drugs. If you legalize crack, you aren’t going to create model citizens who just happen to like crack. Instead you now have a guy who robs or steals to support his now legal habit.


44 posted on 05/09/2007 7:21:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: cripplecreek
If you legalize crack, you aren’t going to create model citizens who just happen to like crack. Instead you now have a guy who robs or steals to support his now legal habit.

To be fair to the libertarians, if you legalize it, the price drops significantly. The low supply and risk associated with producing, transporting, and selling it is what keeps the price so high. If it becomes very inexpensive, then at least the crack user only has to steal to support a 10 dollar a day habit instead of 100 dollar a day habit. Many can come up with that money and won't have to steal at all. So, again, to be fair, the libertarians are right: legalizing drugs would reduce our prison population both for drug crimes and secondary crimes associated with them.
47 posted on 05/09/2007 7:26:05 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
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To: cripplecreek

We have mistaken liberty for license in this country...

In liberty, we have the freedom to do what we ought to do. That compels order and concern for the welfare of your country and countrymen. We used to have liberty in this country. The Libertarians and liberals are giving us license. This is freedom without the social conscience. We become a nation at drift as we no longer consider right or wrong, only ourselves. We work but we work without societal purpose—for self-gratification. This has led to a bastardization of Adam Smith’s invisible hand. The invisible hand was made up of the individual decisions of the citizens and concluded in the common good. License has turn this hand into clenched fist holding tight to itself and whatever it can grab. With no thought to right, we raid the public trough. With no thought to justice, we litigate in search of our own personal lottery.

In Communism, you lack personal freedom but you are working for the common good. It is a society without a soul and without life but, like an ant colony, it has a purpose. It will eventually wither as it lack innovation and industry... but it will drive its slaves mercilessly until its collapse.

This is why Communism is strong in peace and we are strong in war. Communism marches on inexorably when unconfronted. Liberty (and license) strikes out harshly against enslavement... until it eventually enslaves the society in anarchy.

/rant


54 posted on 05/09/2007 7:34:15 AM PDT by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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To: cripplecreek

Well said, I’ve always been amazed that people think legalizing drugs will stop the problems associated with drugs. The gangs just laugh at such ideas, and are ready to sell worse stuff to those in society who don’t benefit from liberalized laws (kids, for example). You can’t put lipstick on a pig and expect anything but a pig.


122 posted on 05/09/2007 9:00:20 AM PDT by Mjaye (Some folks close their mouth only long enough to change feet.)
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