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To: CottShop; Nevadan; Coyoteman
Thanks for the link, but creationist quibbles about that particular fossil (Yanoconodon) aren't relevant to and don't invalidate the point I was making.

The question was whether "major structural changes" can, as a matter of plausibility and possibility, arise in microevolutionary (creationist definition) steps. IOW if a "major" structural change can arise in stepwise fashion without any of the individual steps being "major".

Clearly and inarguably the difference between reptilian jaw bones and mammalian ear ossicles is both "major" and "structural". Equally clearly a stepwise transition between the two, without any step being "major" is at least possible because we actually have examples of the stages. Of course mainstream scientists think those examples actually are steps in a real transitional series, but even if you reject that the mere fact of being able to arrange even a hypothetical transition, if with real fossils, shows at least the possibility of achieving "major" change in "non-major" steps.

59 posted on 05/09/2007 12:30:46 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Stultis
I generally stay off the Crevo theads as a rule, but an item I have offered is about its context in the cultural, social, legal and educational rhelms.

Leftist Dewey-tainted educators have violated the Constitution by adopting an Established Religion. That established religion is secular humanism. The biggest proponents of treating evolution as a fact-instead-of-theory are not the scientific educators, but, instead the social science and liberal arts educators that want all God centered religious thought dismissed as superstition and use a bludgeon of Evolution to do so by offering to young minds the blank choice of either you believe in science or you believe in God. It is done subtlely, but it is given to most of our young in just that blank a manner.

Dewey, that over-rated star in the educators heaven, promoted secular humanism as a religion. Not only that, he promoted it to replace Christianity in cultural, educational and social spheres.

We are living in the case now where most of our governmental educational system has adopted it as an established religion and the entire dismissal of theistic belief is first advanced with evolution as an established fact to dismiss biblical creation or general creation in order to undermine all religious teachings.

61 posted on 05/09/2007 12:46:52 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Stultis

well it is relevent inthat it shows that the ‘evidence’ is based on sketchy circumstances. There was no evidence shown by those hypothesising that the fossils (which could very plausibly have been deformed through the fossilization process) evolved an ear structure. While it is possible for MICRO evolution to move a certain feature, to suggest that it did happen in such a way as to construct and assemble the complex hearing systems we now enjoy is a far leap of conjecture and does nothign to show a transitional experience through genetic favouring of certain traits. As well, you speak of ‘quibbling’ yet, to ignore the biological impossibilities of even the ‘beginnings of life’ and then to set two fossils next to one another and suggest evolution is being witnessed, (while ignoring the more abundant differences) is as well nothing but quibbling about speculatives that ignore the problems and impossibilities of the biology included in abiogensis. It’s like saying I have gold that I beleive came from lead, and showing some similarities between the two by pointing out the wieghts are ‘close’ or the solidness of the two metals are similiar, or pointing out that both can be easily scratched etc. The ‘evidence’ for the ‘evolution of the ear’ is suspect at best, and there are no real ‘transitional stages’ that show the complete progression of the structures to the middle ear. Showing a jaw bone with a low structure, then one with a bit higher and another with a bit higher one yet shows nothign but variation within kinds and not a progressive ‘transition’ as has been purported by those who wish to beleive the process did happen.

I will cede that the fella should not have said ‘major structural changes’ can’t happen because even a loss of limbs can be major structural changes, and we know for fact that microevolution can produce this effect- however, the proper wording should have been now NEW information has been observed in nature showing the macroevolution of one species to another KIND. NEW information is needed for NEW organs to appear where no information for such organs exist-


62 posted on 05/09/2007 12:53:06 PM PDT by CottShop
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