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Giuliani gave to Planned Parenthood
The Politico ^ | May 7, 2007 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 05/07/2007 5:25:31 PM PDT by madprof98

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To: little jeremiah

I don’t know why the liberals here are so reluctant to just come out and admit that they are liberals and that is the reason they support Rudy.

Instead, they hide behind all of these talking points that have been demonstrably disproven.


121 posted on 05/09/2007 8:27:00 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: tioga

Of course there is good and bad charisma...Clinton and the like have the darksides charisma. I believe Romney has the good charisma just like Reagan had. A candidate needs to draw people and make them enthusiastic. Just being right on the issues isn’t enough. Dole was right on the issues but didn’t have enough projection of enthusiasm.


122 posted on 05/09/2007 8:35:57 AM PDT by fabian
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To: fabian

I am STILL not ready to jump in with Romney. The shallow people of this country want charisma, slick — ie they wish to be played the fool and they may well be in the majority, BUT — right/wrong, win/lose — I will vote issues.


123 posted on 05/09/2007 8:49:35 AM PDT by tioga
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To: little jeremiah

I am a social moderate. For persuasion, and personal responsibility concerning the single issue.


124 posted on 05/09/2007 8:52:07 AM PDT by tkathy (Those who appease always get more killed than those who stand up to barbarism)
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To: tioga

you are spinning what I am trying to say...charisma: “a divinely conferred gift or power.” The right issues are explained with conviction with that. So really, charimsa is not a correct usage for the Clinton types. More like hypnotic power.


125 posted on 05/09/2007 9:13:25 AM PDT by fabian
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To: wagglebee
From what I’ve seen lately, most of the Rooty Rooter FReepers actually support Rooty because HIS LIBERAL VIEWS ARE TOTALLY IN LINE WITH THEIR OWN.

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Yes. Agreed.

126 posted on 05/09/2007 9:16:55 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

The good news is that there are a lot less of them than there were a month ago!


127 posted on 05/09/2007 9:17:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The good news is that there are a lot less of them than there were a month ago!

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Yes. More seem to be leaving daily. It's a brave thing to do, but Mr. Robinson is not lacking in courage.

128 posted on 05/09/2007 9:22:25 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: tkathy; little jeremiah
I am a social moderate. For persuasion, and personal responsibility concerning the single issue.

What does that even mean?

Are you one of the "I would never commit infanticide, but I'm okay if others do" type of "moderates"? Are you okay with people committing other acts of murder and violence as long as you don't participate?

YOUR ATTITUDE of not standing up to evil has resulted in 50 MILLION slaughtered infants since 1973, who should take responsibility for that?

129 posted on 05/09/2007 9:23:45 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: tkathy

You’re more than welcome to vote for someone nominated from the political center of the GOP. It won’t be that far a trip rightward for you, as compared to the long trek to the left for conservatives to vote for Rudy. A journey that long requires that many principles have to be jettisoned.


130 posted on 05/09/2007 9:24:14 AM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: tkathy
Chasing out all who disagree will just end up putting the DEMOCRATS IN PERMANENT POWER!!!

The Rockefeller Wing of the GOP was pretty good at keeping the Dems in permanent power. Sorry, but we don't want to go back.

131 posted on 05/09/2007 9:25:01 AM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: dirtboy
The Rockefeller Wing of the GOP was pretty good at keeping the Dems in permanent power.

And they were NOWHERE NEAR AS LIBERAL AS ROOTY.

132 posted on 05/09/2007 9:41:38 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: tkathy

I have yet to find a social “moderate” explain how the social breakdown that results from their policies won’t result in fiscal liberalism.

You can’t refute it, because it’s irrefutable.

Social breakdown resulting from liberal social standards and policies ushers in massive amounts of tax money thrown at the problems (unwanted children, brokren families, molested kids, feral children, drug addicts, etc). Unless you’re a devout libertarian and won’t mind if they all die in alleys.


133 posted on 05/09/2007 9:51:55 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for the truth will know the truth.)
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To: wagglebee

“”YOUR ATTITUDE of not standing up to evil has resulted in 50 MILLION slaughtered infants since 1973, who should take responsibility for that???””

For the sake of an intellectual discussion, I did a lot of research into the whole issue in the library back in the 70s. The RCC mystic Aquinas says that “the soul comes into the body after the mystical 40 days” Many spiritual traditions teach that the soul enters the body with the breath.

I had a lot of trouble getting pregnant, and probably had dozens of zygotes floating around. I don’t for one minute think that my zygotes were sentient human souls.

In an intelligently designed universe, which I believe in, billions of sentient human souls are not floating around in the sewers of the world.

Abortion is a world wide problem that is never going away no matter what. Laws will not stop abortion no matter what. Mexico is legalizing abortion because of the millions of illegal abortions.

Persuasion is the only way to lessen abortion.


134 posted on 05/09/2007 10:12:08 AM PDT by tkathy (Those who appease always get more killed than those who stand up to barbarism)
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To: tkathy
For the sake of an intellectual discussion, I did a lot of research into the whole issue in the library back in the 70s. The RCC mystic Aquinas says that “the soul comes into the body after the mystical 40 days” Many spiritual traditions teach that the soul enters the body with the breath.

The FACT is that almost all abortions are performed well after 40 days. But I guess your argument is that taking life is okay even though there is a question as to whether or not there is a soul.

Abortion is a world wide problem that is never going away no matter what.

Neither is post-birth murder, rape, arson, robbery, etc. -- should we legalize all of these as well?

Persuasion is the only way to lessen abortion.

Spoken like a true liberal. Unfortunately, the numbers don't add up.

135 posted on 05/09/2007 11:05:39 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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