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Argument for the Trinity

John 15: 24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. 25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me : [KJV] [and if that isn‘t a clear picture of all three in one sentence of Jesus’s teaching the oneness in three --and the Hebrew word for ‘one‘ can also be translated ‘unity‘-- try reading the following sequence of scriptures … Deuteronomy 6:4 then John 1: 1; 14 then John 14: 5 - 11 then remind yourself with the Baptism blessing ‘in the name of the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

John1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. … 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John14 5 - 11: 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

226 posted on 05/08/2007 1:47:12 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Good scriptures. But how about these as an argument against the trinity:

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. (Now, if the Father, Son, & Holy Ghost are one, how could the Father be greater than the Son?)

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. (This was part of the great intercessory prayer where the Lord was praying to the Father for his disciples. How can they be one as the Father & the Son are? Are the disciples part of the trinity as well?)

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (Here, The Lord is talking to Mary. What does it mean, My Father & your Father; My God & your God?)

Can you see where it gets difficult to use man’s interpretation? Who’s interpretation is correct?

As far as the man becoming God issue discussed elsewhere on this thread someone explain the following scripture:

John 10:34-36. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The scriptures can be very plain as long as we don’t TRY to make them complicated.
If some of you are truly seeking for the truth, why not go to the author? Is the Lord really the author of so many differing doctrines found in Christianity under the auspices that as long as they believe in Christ all is well? Paul went throughout the land teaching Christians that there was but one doctrine & to stop perverting the ways of the Lord. He didn’t tell those at Corinth that as long as they believed in Christ, it didn’t matter about the perversions.

I really do believe the Lord answers prayers of those earnestly seeking the truth. By power of the Holy Ghost. Just as he said he would repeatedly in the scriptures. I really feel sorry for those that feel the heavens are closed. But, to each his own.


234 posted on 05/08/2007 2:36:10 PM PDT by Reno232
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