Posted on 05/07/2007 11:36:09 AM PDT by bedolido
Ok, I have bigger and better things to do now. But for the record, why don’t you talk about all of your religious beliefs and let everyone challenge them? It makes me more convinced that I am right. As for unfounded assertions, it will have to stay that way. I do not character malign and see absolutely no point in sharing some of the vile I have received. You can believe me or not....I could not care less. I do lurk most of the time. Have been for a long time. Anyway, have a great day and God bless you. We will all know the truth one day. Bye.
That means when the all apostles were killed off and there longer was a quorum the priesthood no longer existed and what was setup in place is a revision of what was!
Funny!
You're still not clear.
The apostles weren't priests.
Mormons believe they will be gods.
Many doctrines which were once taught by the LDS church, and held to be fundamental, essential and “eternal”, have been abandoned. Whether we feel that the church was correct in abandoning them is not the point; rather, the point is that a church claiming to be the church of God takes one “everlasting” position at one time and the opposite position at another, all the time claiming to be proclaiming the word of God. Some examples are:
- The Adam-God doctrine (Adam is God the Father)
- the United Order (all property of church members is to be held in common, with title in the church);
- Plural Marriage (polygamy; a man must have more than one wife to attain the highest degree of heaven)
- the Curse of Cain (the black race is not entitled to hold God’s priesthood because it is cursed; this doctrine was not abandoned until 1978)
- Blood Atonement (some sins - apostasy, adultery, murder, interracial marriage - must be atoned for by the shedding of the sinner’s blood, preferably by someone appointed to do so by church authorities)
All of these doctrines were proclaimed by the reigning prophet to be the Word of God, “eternal,” “everlasting,” to govern the church “forevermore.” All have been abandoned by the present church.
Joseph Smith died not as a martyr, but in a gun battle in which he fired a number of shots. He was in jail at the time, under arrest for having ordered the destruction of a Nauvoo newspaper which dared to print an exposure (which was true) of his secret sexual liaisons. At that time he had announced his candidacy for the presidency of the United States, set up a secret government, and secretly had himself crowned “King of the Kingdom of God.”
Since the founding of the church down to the present day the church leaders have not hesitated to lie, to falsify documents, to rewrite or suppress history, or to do whatever is necessary to protect the image of the church. Many Mormon historians have been excommunicated from the church for publishing their findings on the truth of Mormon history.
Mormonism includes many unusual doctrines which you will probably not be told about until you have been in the church for a long time. These doctrines are not revealed to investigators or new converts because those people are not yet considered ready to have more than “milk” as doctrine. The Mormons also probably realize that if investigators knew of these unusual teachings they would not join the church. In addition to those mentioned elsewhere in this article, the following are noteworthy:
God was once a man like us.
God has a tangible body of flesh and bone.
God lives on a planet near the star Kolob.
God (”Heavenly Father”) has at least one wife, our “Mother in Heaven,” but she is so holy that we are not to discuss her nor pray to her.
We can become like God and rule over our own universe.
There are many gods, ruling over their own worlds.
Jesus and Satan (”Lucifer”) are brothers, and they are our brothers - we are all spirit children of Heavenly Father
Jesus Christ was conceived by God the Father by having sex with Mary, who was temporarily his wife.
We should not pray to Jesus, nor try to feel a personal relationship with him.
“God” (”Jehovah”) in the Old Testament is the being named Jesus in the New Testament.
In the the highest degree of the celestial kingdom some men will have more than one wife.
Before coming to this earth we lived as spirits in a “pre-existence”, during which we were tested; our position in this life (whether born to Mormons or savages, or in America or Africa) is our reward or punishment for our obedience in that life.
Dark skin is a curse from God, the result of our sin, or the sin of our ancestors. If sufficiently righteous, a dark-skinned person will become light-skinned.
The Garden of Eden was in Missouri. All humanity before the Great Flood lived in the western hemisphere. The Ark transported Noah and the other survivors to the eastern hemisphere.
Much ado about who’s a Christian. Mormons are Christians because they believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and that through His atonement all men can be saved.
If that’s not enough for you, then consider this:
1. In his book “Mere Christianity” C. S. Lewis argues that man can become like God. If that concept excludes Mormons from Christianity then it also excludes the great “Christian” writer.
2. An early Christian bishop named Eusibius was at the counsel of Nicea, and he wrote that the concept of the trinity in the Nicean creed came from Constantine (not a Christian) after most of the Christian bishops had left the counsel.
Joh 8:7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
"Holy sperm"? I don't recall ever hearing that term before. Do you have a reference so that I can look it up?
The Nicene Creed is fundamental to Christian belief.
I have found LDS folks to be the most honest folks in business dealings, but among the most dishonest when discussing theology. With one exception on FR, when the poster clearly set out his beliefs, Mormon posters put more effort in to obscuring the differences between their beliefs and those of historical Christianity than they do confessing what they believe.
Except I've never met a Muslim who calls himself a Christian. But there's a first time for everything.
ROFL! What about all those poor souls pre-Nicene council? Are they all doomed to cook? What about those of us who no longer bend our knee to Rome? Are we cooked, too?
Really, that's a good one. A creed that none of the Bible authors ever dreamed of is "fundamental" to the faith they laid the foundation of! Man, what a hoot..
One either subscribes to Christian beliefs or not.
That’s what creeds are for.
Mormons are not Christ centered...they are temple centered.. and they worship a human being....therefore, they technically are not “Christ”ians....
Good for the Protestants. But if they are reciting the Catholic Creed, then what exactly are they protesting?
says who?
according to some Mormons, no one can get to "heaven" unles they are a Mormon of good standing ..the rest of us apparently are infidels.....
and isn't it interesting that Black people were completely left without that "spark" until the Mormon church got a little more politically correct in their thinking....
when you really think about the Mormon "church" you see one that seems to have made up its beliefs along the way, whichever way was more profitable to them....
I hate going on these Mormon threads but as long as some people are going to be dishing it out constantly on mutliple threads about the great and holy Mormons and their great and holy Mormon leader Romney, then they better be ready to take it..../
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