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Carbon credits may reduce only guilt
Seattle PI ^ | 5/6/07 | staff

Posted on 05/07/2007 1:01:56 AM PDT by highlander_UW

Carbon credits may reduce only guilt So far, offsets 'yield few if any environmental benefits' ......... How clean is your carbon credit?

Carbon credits are advertised as a way for polluters to offset the greenhouse gases they produce. ....... Worse, reports of fraud and abuse are piling up. Most recently, an investigation by The Financial Times found that companies and individuals "rushing to go green have been spending millions on 'carbon credit' projects that yield few if any environmental benefits."

(Excerpt) Read more at seattlepi.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: algore; carbon; fraud; indulgences; offsets
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This is an excerpt because the Seattle PI is reprinting a NY Times report. Looks like even the liberals are beginning to grasp that they're being taken to the cleaners by frauds like Algore.
1 posted on 05/07/2007 1:01:59 AM PDT by highlander_UW
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To: highlander_UW
This is such a lamebrained idea I can't believe anyone has bought into it. Seriously, you're "buying" against this imaginary carbon limit? As if we can just calculate how much is an OK amount of carbon to have, and you "buy credit" from that amount? (I know it's a rough illustration but you get the idea.) How silly--who decides what is an OK amount of pollution to create, so that they can pay off their guilt at polluting just as anyone else does?

I can't believe anyone who's seriously "green" buys into this scheme. Only charlatans like Al Gore--"Do as I say, not as I do"--could go for this snake oil.

2 posted on 05/07/2007 1:06:06 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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Only charlatans like Al Gore--"Do as I say, not as I do"--could go for this snake oil.

Algore is selling the snake oil...he owns stock in the company he buys his credits from. He just moves money from one pocket to the other, and liberals are too dense to grasp it.

3 posted on 05/07/2007 1:09:04 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: highlander_UW
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4 posted on 05/07/2007 1:18:00 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: highlander_UW
I have series guilt issues due to my only-ness. Anyone else, or is it only me?

In MD they have a place called Olney. They almost have guilt. Almost Olney only guilt. Good thing I'm around, or it would be only Olney.

The article says, "only charlitans like Al Gore...". Ah, so he is responsible! Maybe he will give me a discount on only offsets.

yeah, I know it's stupid. So is global warming. It's also 0420 and I'm fried from no sleep. I've only been awake, and I'm feeling guilty...

5 posted on 05/07/2007 1:21:44 AM PDT by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: highlander_UW

I think you’ve mislpaced an “only”.


6 posted on 05/07/2007 1:24:00 AM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: highlander_UW

Not just carbon credits, the whole environmental movement is about assuaging guilt. When you are guilty you wouldn’t mind paying higher taxes knowing your money is being put to ‘good use’.


7 posted on 05/07/2007 1:26:03 AM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: highlander_UW
No, the liberals are beginning to grasp that in order for the concept of Carbon Credits to work, first they have to ration out Carbon Usage Rights.

For example, every person would be alloted x number of pounds of Carbon emissions, that must be presented every time you fill up your car. If you have any credits left over, you can sell them to someone else.

Then you have something tangible to barter.

8 posted on 05/07/2007 2:05:07 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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This will be the 21st century's equivalent to the Catholic Church's Indulgences racket of centuries past. These scammers are trying to frenzy the market like the Dutch tulip bulb mania, and then walk away with the billions in ill gotten capital scot free. Evil evil people who are destroying the lives of billions and killing millions of third world people to follow their scheme to it's logical conclusion, complete collapse of the carbon trading market, and discrediting of anything and everything "global warming" related in the slightest.

9 posted on 05/07/2007 2:15:17 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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Algore - Ignorant, stupid, or liar?

Ignorant means that someone does not know something. This could mean they did not have access to the truth. It’s not realisic to think that Algore has not had access to the truth. There is a great deal of information about the truth of “carbon credits” available.

Stupid means that someone does not have a reasoning ability. This can happen when someone is blinded by idealogy.

A liar is someone who says things they know are not true.

Algore - Ignorant, stupid, or liar?


10 posted on 05/07/2007 2:29:35 AM PDT by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: missnry

LOL!! How about “Being stuck in a private jet/50 room mansion/SUV procession owned by a hypocritical liberal schmuck who demands that the little people reduce emissions to combat Global Warming.”


11 posted on 05/07/2007 2:30:34 AM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Basically Al...
I have to use less energy,so that you can use more?
I have to eat less, so that you can eat more?
I have to earn less, so that you can earn more?
I have to speak less, so that you can pontificate more?
I have to reason less, so that you can lie more?
I have to ..........
Hmmmm.....wonder why American’s beginnng to see the picture.


12 posted on 05/07/2007 2:34:15 AM PDT by Pure Country
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To: missnry
LOL! Look at this pic..Al Gore flaming the polar ice caps!!

"THE POLAR ICE CAPS ARE MELTING! THE POLAR ICE CAPS ARE MELTING! WHY IS THIS HAPPENING? IT`S GLOBAL WARMING!"

13 posted on 05/07/2007 2:35:23 AM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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Al takes a truth serum:

"The earths atmosphere is only made up of 0.0383% CO2 which you can literally call 'zero point zero'. On top of that, 2/3rds of the earth is covered with water of which contains algae and other life forms that suck up CO2. Add on top of that all the plant life that that covers almost all of the land on earth that sucks up CO2. So as you see, all this talk by me saying that man made CO2 emissions will destroy the earth is complete and utter bullsh*t."

14 posted on 05/07/2007 2:50:01 AM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: preacher
Algore - Ignorant, stupid, or liar?

Stupid - all the way to the bank.

15 posted on 05/07/2007 2:57:05 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: highlander_UW

The Kyoto accord was just another name for Carbon Credits. It was an International scam that the world almost fell for a scam that would ahve ruined us had George Bush not realised it for what it was.


16 posted on 05/07/2007 3:44:31 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: highlander_UW

IMHO, I’ve always assumed that “carbon credits” are code for how an AL Gore presidency intends to deal with the consequences of pulling out of Iraq.......


17 posted on 05/07/2007 3:55:17 AM PDT by mo
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To: highlander_UW

In actuality, its worse than that.

He is the chairman of the board of a company that (as an employee benefit) purchases carbon credits for the board members (maybe all employees, I’m not sure).

Therefore, he owns stock in a company, that buys carbon credits for him.

I call this a distinction because if he bought the credits from himself, then 100% of the money would (theoretically) go into a company, then distributed in the pockets of all shareholders. This is the reverse of that. $$ comes from 100% of the shareholders (or investors), and benefits him.


18 posted on 05/07/2007 3:55:23 AM PDT by RangerM
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To: sgtbono2002

Only libs misunderstand economics as magic thinking that can take a worthless gas and trade it like stock.


19 posted on 05/07/2007 3:59:05 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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I’m planting a couple of trees and sprucing up the yard this year. Can I pick up a standard Carbon Credit Form at my local Home Depot....I’ll be sure to include the receipt and any bar codes necessary to get my “credit”.

The hubby’s looking at coveted John Deere lawn mower (gas guzzler model) and the credit would go a long way to fulfill his dreams. He even promises to sell the grass cuttings to help develop green fuel to fill up the Hummer.


20 posted on 05/07/2007 4:06:05 AM PDT by not2worry ( What goes around comes around!)
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