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Doctors face moral dilemma over restoring Muslim brides’ virginity
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 05/07/07 | Adam Sage

Posted on 05/06/2007 6:27:51 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: Age of Reason

OK, but again, is this procedure killing anyone? - no.
Will it stop someone from being killed? Most likely yes

I don’t see the comparison.

Also remember, in many cases these women are being forced to marry tribal savages when in many cases they’d probably rather marry some nice European guy and possibly get out of the whackjob religion they’re in.


21 posted on 05/06/2007 7:02:01 PM PDT by oakcon (America wants you: Run Fred Run!)
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To: Cornpone
Islam is regression...to the jungle.

I'd say more like regression to the stone age, but that would be insulting to stone age people everywhere.

GeicoMan would need years of therapy.

Still, stories like these really make me think they all need to get bombed back to the stone age where they obviously want to be.

They're BEGGING for it. It's like they're screaming "Please, please Kill Us! We're INSANE", or like the Monty Python Gumby: "MY BRAIN HURTS!, IT MUST COME OUT!"

It's too bad there isn't the equivalent of a neutron bomb for regressive Muslims. It would only wipe out the blood lusting Islamofacist homicidal terrorists and leave the rest still standing.

22 posted on 05/06/2007 7:02:13 PM PDT by David_G_Burnet
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To: rbg81
"On one hand, it is a total lie."

Islam is a total lie.

23 posted on 05/06/2007 7:04:02 PM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Pokey78
Just curious. Once this procedure becomes common knowledge, wouldn't that throw the virginity of any muslim woman into question?
24 posted on 05/06/2007 7:05:24 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Age of Reason
Wrong on both counts.

A teen abortion without the parent's consent destroys another life.

If the future husband is a ROPer, being a non-virgin is tantamount to a death sentence. Not the same as deceiving a future husband who isn't a ROPer.

25 posted on 05/06/2007 7:05:42 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

The minds of Muslim men all over the Middle East are blowing right now. The paranoia must be incredible. The best case scenario is that they’ll be so scared of marrying someone whos not a virgin that they’ll just stop breeding.


26 posted on 05/06/2007 7:19:00 PM PDT by oakcon (America wants you: Run Fred Run!)
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To: Pokey78

Moral dilemma: Reconstruct the hymen, or death by stoning? It’s a tough choice for any Muslim doctor.


27 posted on 05/06/2007 7:19:19 PM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: dayglored

You know the most disturbing part to me? Rather, the hardest part to understand of all it?

It’s that the woman is seen as sinning when losing her virginity before marriage but that the putting to death of a human being is seen as perfectly fine and no sin at all. So she lost her virginity. What gives another the right to take her life?

God created us all, whether we posses a Bible or not, to know that murder is wrong and to know that life is His gift to us and is precious and sacred. I don’t care what one’s professed religion is, He made sure he equipped each and every one of us with this knowledge.

Crap (for lack of a better term) like this angers me to no end. There’s no excuse under the sun for this horrendous treatment of another human being.

“Possessed” is the only word that comes to mind right now.


28 posted on 05/06/2007 7:22:18 PM PDT by Birmingham Rain
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To: Pokey78

Virginity credits? Hello Algore?


29 posted on 05/06/2007 7:23:04 PM PDT by kdot
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To: Pokey78
The procedure has merit IMO. Zip that sucker up so tight that if conception occurs the baby will have to be called Houdini.
30 posted on 05/06/2007 7:44:23 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Pokey78
"I don't know Dr. Abdul, she looks like a virgin to me!"


31 posted on 05/06/2007 8:00:47 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Pokey78

Probably most men want to marry a virgin. But people sometimes make mistakes and no one is perfect. If he loves her, he should marry her. If her not being a virgin becomes such a strong consideration then he should move on. The mindset of Muslim male culture is, regardless, disturbing, and is rooted in the falseness of Islam.


32 posted on 05/06/2007 8:28:35 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Happy Easter!)
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To: Birmingham Rain
> It’s that the woman is seen as sinning when losing her virginity before marriage but that the putting to death of a human being is seen as perfectly fine and no sin at all... God created us all, whether we posses a Bible or not, to know that murder is wrong and to know that life is His gift to us and is precious and sacred. I don’t care what one’s professed religion is, He made sure he equipped each and every one of us with this knowledge...There’s no excuse under the sun for this horrendous treatment of another human being. “Possessed” is the only word that comes to mind right now...

In any civilized society, intentional, premeditated murder of another human being has always been a crime... well, except when the human being is a slave, or a serf, or another unwanted low-class person.... which may explain why Muslim women get treated that way, eh?

"Possessed" implies that the person is under unwanted evil influence. I don't think so. I think most Muslim men who carry out these horrendous acts are entirely at ease with their beliefs and the evil acts that follow from them.

Therefore, in my mind, they are just as evil as anyone who seeks out and kills any other innocent person intentionally. I can only hope that these evil bastards eventually face judgment they cannot escape, whether earthly or divine. They deserve to rot in Hell.

33 posted on 05/06/2007 8:29:16 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Pokey78

“He took my chastity from me Akhmed, all he said was that his first name was Buster.”


34 posted on 05/06/2007 8:32:46 PM PDT by Ieatfrijoles ("Some hams hanging in the kitchen were taken out for burial")
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To: Norman Bates
> Probably most men want to marry a virgin. But people sometimes make mistakes and no one is perfect. If he loves her, he should marry her. If her not being a virgin becomes such a strong consideration then he should move on.

The common male desire for a virginal wife is quite simple biology -- it means that when the wife delivers a baby, it is more likely the man's rather than a former lover's. These days, if you don't trust your beloved's word, it's pretty easy:

  1. Make sure your beloved is not already knocked up (pregnancy test).
  2. Make sure when a baby is born, it's yours (paternity test).
But before easy and readily-available pregnancy and paternity tests, the only way to make sure you weren't supporting some other man's offspring was to:
  1. Marry a virgin
  2. Keep her from fooling around on you
Thus developed many oppressive restrictions on women in the male-dominated societies (that would be,... ummm..., ALL of them). And murder as the punishment for misbehaving.

Men who did not make sure that their beloved was a) a virgin, and b) not fooling around, often had the misfortune of thinking they were the father, when they were not (see: Howard K. Stern)

Unfortunately, in these modern times of easy and readily-available pregnancy and paternity tests, Muslim men still rely on the old methods of oppression and restriction, enforced by murdering those who women dare do otherwise.

Personally, I don't find any great attraction in a virgin -- you have to teach them everything. I'd rather be with somebody who can teach me a thing or two. But that's for a different thread...

35 posted on 05/06/2007 8:42:10 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Norman Bates; dayglored
> ...Thus developed many oppressive restrictions on women in the male-dominated societies (that would be,... ummm..., ALL of them). And murder as the punishment for misbehaving.

I should clarify. I don't mean that ALL societies developed identically oppressive restrictions or used murder as punishment (although many did). Many were more subtle. A few were moderately enlightened. But most were pretty awful.

I'm rather proud that modern America is pretty enlightened, though the high degree of promiscuity of the past 40 years is a price we pay for that enlightenment not being tempered with self-discipline. One can hope, though, that it will come with time.

36 posted on 05/06/2007 8:48:53 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Birmingham Rain

Plenty of this women are victims of “honor” killings while still in Europe.


37 posted on 05/06/2007 8:54:44 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Pokey78

Only in Islam....


38 posted on 05/06/2007 8:56:39 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: dayglored
Wow! Who knew that even under threat of being stoned to death, women would still engage in premarital sex.

Abstinence education has no chance...

39 posted on 05/06/2007 8:59:05 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Pokey78

Islam is the “religion” that just keeps giving. Just when you think you have heard every crazy thing about it, something like this hits the news.


40 posted on 05/06/2007 9:07:16 PM PDT by vox humana
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