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To: Star Traveler
— Well.., let’s clear up this problem for you. The Christians are not called upon to do this. If you think that there is something in the Bible that has called upon the Christians to do this — you are sadly mistaken. It doesn’t exist.

* "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets... Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great..." Mat. 5:17-19

It was definitely a penalty in their day. It is no longer a penalty today, for the Jews.

Jesus directly counters you...

* "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? For God commanded, saying... `He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' But you say..." Mat. 15:3-4

Therefore the “glass house” that you’re talking about doesn’t exist. It did at one time, and was abandoned long ago (the “glass house” of stoning). It never did exist for the Christians.

"Judge Not" is hypocrite haven. He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. Such Christians, though, should relocate. Move into "the temple of the great God, which is being built with heavy stones" (Ezra 5:8).

Christians live in the "building" for which Christ is "the chief corner stone" (Eph. 2:20). And if that Stone falls on someone it "will grind him to powder" (Mat. 21:44; Luke 20:18; cf. Ex. 32:20). It is better to be judged by a Christian than crushed by Christ.

92 posted on 05/05/2007 7:12:42 PM PDT by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: LowOiL

You said — “Jesus directly counters you...”

No He doesn’t. He wasn’t talking to me, or the other Christians of today; He was talking to the Jews. And today, their sovereignty has been taken away from them, so they do *not have the ability* to carry out the law as it was given to them. It is now out of their hands, because God has made it that way in this dispensation. Now, I won’t say that during the Kingdom Age, but we’re not in the Kingdom age at this time. So, come back and ask me that again, after Christ has set up the Kingdom and is ruling from Jerusalem here on earth.

And He’s right, nothing will pass from the law. It’s still there and the full measure of the law will be fulfilled. It’s just not going to be fulfilled in the Age of Grace — which we’re in now.

So, three points, here. First sovereignty has been removed from Israel to perform the law as it was given to them. They no longer, currently have that ability. And that was by God’s doing.

Second, the law will not pass away, like Jesus said. It will be fulfilled in it entirety, during the Kingdom Age.

Third, Christians were *never* to implement the laws given to the Jews. There are over 600 of them and they were *never* meant for Christians. These were given to the Jews to fulfill as God had demanded. They failed. God took away their sovereignty and their ability to carry it out any longer. It will not be given back to them again, until they have acknowledged the Messiah.

Also, for those Gentile Christians who may be wondering, there is the First Jerusalem Council, presided over by James and Peter, who gave the requirements to be met by the Christians that Paul was preaching to (all those of us who are non-Jews)...

The First Jerusalem Council was written to me. I’ll read that one for you...

Acts 15:23-29

23 They wrote this letter by them: The apostles, the elders, and the brethren, To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia: Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”*—to whom we gave no such commandment—

25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:

29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.

And so, as a gentile Christian, that’s the letter written to me, that was confirmed by the Christian church and by the Holy Spirit’s confirmation. That’s the one that we live by today, in the Age of Grace.

And for further expansion on that, we can read the many writings of Paul in the matter.

For the full context of this — I include the following —


Acts 15:1-31

1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”

2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.

3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren.

4 And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them.

5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.

7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.

8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us,

9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”

12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles.

13 And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me:

14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name.

15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:

16 ‘After this I will return And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins, And I will set it up;

17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, Says the Lord who does all these things.’

18 “Known to God from eternity are all His works.

19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God,

20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them: The apostles, the elders, and the brethren, To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia: Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”*—to whom we gave no such commandment—

25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:

29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.

30 So when they were sent off, they came to Antioch; and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the letter.

31 When they had read it, they rejoiced over its encouragement.


Note what Peter said to the entire church —

10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”

And look at what James, the “brother” of Jesus said, the patriarch of the beginning Christian church —

19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God,

20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

And that pretty much says it in the Age of Grace that we are in...

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As for the rest of what you’re saying, I have no idea what you’re talking about...


98 posted on 05/05/2007 8:12:29 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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