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To: greyfoxx39

“You know, Coyote, the apologists just refuse to acknowledge that they are debating with those of us who have either “been there, done that” or have spent years dealing with mormons in their communities.
I sometimes think that some of these posts are written in a state of denial.”

I have lived in Vegas (Mormon country) for 27 years, and now have quite an accumulation of first hand experiences, most of which are just plain disquieting. I currently work for a Jack Mormon, who was bred straight but became so turned of by the disconnect required that he is now 100% atheist (I’m walking him back to agnostic, hopefully). He recently told me, unsolicited, that he would never do business with a Mormon.

So you are quite right about the denial, they spin everything into the accusation that we are bigots without ever answering the questions we raise. I relate my list of stories and encounters as straight as punch (y’all have heard many of them), but they are so bizarre that I am inevitably called a liar. Well here is what I know, one side or the other is composed of world class prevaricators (or charitably the disillusioned).

Now, if I was a world class liar of that order, you’d expect some of the rebuttals to have exposed me by now. But I call Mormons crystal gazers, and nothing comes back - chirp chirp. I ask them to have their church put a Cross on their steeple to show they are Christian, and the answer is chirp chirp. We post a picture of a three dollar bill with Joseph Smith’s signature on it, and we are accused of being agitators (while they avoid admitting their prophet was a charlatan). I ask whether Bishop Mitt Romney will have to explain that he plans on becoming God of a planet where he will have multiple wives and spirit children without number, and I’m called vindictive, for asking the type of question Mitt will have to answer for the next ten years (note, no one denies that’s what Mitt believes). I’ve even offered a thousand dollar bet to anyone who could prove I lied about my stories, but alas, chirp chirp.

I know what I know because I was forced to defend myself numerous times from Mormons - who themselves were at these junctures guilty of thievery, embezzlement, tax evasion (about to turn one in on that), a threat to beat me up for asking for the business books, etc. After a while, you’d have to be nuts not to have studied how they operate and how they encircle and divide out anyone they consider a threat to the hive.

Here’s a thought thread which will help explain why I don’t want a Mormon in the presidency. Harry Reid recruted one Dario Herrera to run for Congress here. Dario was at that time a County Commisioner taking bribes from Michael Galardi (and others) at Cheetah’s topless bar. Of course, Harry was successful in converting Dario to Mormonism, and even now supports Dario as he goes off to the penitentiary at the end of what is called the G-Sting scandal (google it). Mormons all over town knew about Darios corruption, and corruption higher up, and did Jack squat.

But ooops, the tightnit Mormon community is as pure as driven snow.

Been There, Done That, Many Times


910 posted on 05/06/2007 6:11:05 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote
Did you happen to see the Apologist's response to my noting that the Marriott family makes milions and millions from the porn they purposely pipe into their hotels? ... 'Hotel chains are run by corporations' LOL

I wonder how many of the 'board members' of Marriott are Not Mormons? Hypocrisy is such a telling trait don'tchaknow.

913 posted on 05/06/2007 6:49:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: FastCoyote

It is exactly like that in Utah. There is something almost devious about some who use Mormonism for their own gain. It is rampant!

Romney may not be one of them, but I have seen underhanded business dealing even within the heirarchy. When the apostles and Prophet were buying forged documents and squirreling them away from the sight of members, it was a glaring symbol of deception.

Google “Mark Hoffman” and “salamander letter.” I hate to point it out but Mormonism is known in the West for deception and advantageous (to them) business practices, pyramid schemes, land speculation fraud, white collar crime, bankruptcy.

They aren’t better than us. They aren’t more special. They have a high price PR firm that has made the nation believe what they wish them to believe. Divorce rates are the same as the general population, anti-depressant use is greater, sex crimes, rape is higher in Utah.

They are just people, just like everyone else. They have problems just like everyone else.


916 posted on 05/06/2007 7:32:13 PM PDT by colorcountry (“It is wrong to criticize the leaders of the church even if the criticism is true” ~Dallin H. Oaks)
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To: FastCoyote
But ooops, the tightnit Mormon community is as pure as driven snow.

Hardly! To illustrate that, look no further than Harry Reid. ;-) LDS are as human as everyone else. We aren't alone among Christian sects who believe strongly in the commandments and the importance of works, (see James 2) but we fail like everyone else. No one is perfect except Christ.

We've all done a lot of Bible quoting lately, perhaps it's time for some Shakespeare:

"If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?" - Merchant of Venice

1,187 posted on 05/08/2007 12:24:32 AM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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