BTW all of my family members are Mormon. One cannot rightly say I hate Mormons. I love a large number of Mormons. I hate it that Mormonism takes them far, far away from the Savior, Jesus Christ as written in the Bible. The religion has distorted the teachings of Christianity. For that reason I fight against Mormonism.
Mormons are very, very good at being good people. Many are very, very bad at humility and admitting their own sins. They are “proud” as one poster put it. They do not look to the Savior for salvation, but as their own article of faith #3 states:
“We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.”
They think their own perfect obedience and works will earn them Exaltation and godhood. It isn’t a Christian teaching. This is just one example
Thanks for your reply...I will mull it over...wish I could continue, but right now, I am awaiting a visit from a plumber, so have to get off line, and anxiously see if I am going to be bankrupt over my plumbing problem...LOL...but I will be sure to check back in, as I find this conversation very interesting...thanks again for your replies...
Mormons are very, very good at being good people. Many are very, very bad at humility and admitting their own sins. They are “proud” as one poster put it. They do not look to the Savior for salvation, but as their own article of faith #3 states:
“We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.”
They think their own perfect obedience and works will earn them Exaltation and godhood. It isn’t a Christian teaching. This is just one example
CC the Lord can read our hearts and minds and if one is just doing something for unlawful gain the Lord is aware.
Do you think backbiting rebellious souls reside in the present of the God?
How can the savior save one if the sinner refuses to change their way or say I was born that way, or blame it on the Lord that the way God made me, and so many souls don’t want to change their ways and allowed the Lord to edify them?
Our Judeo-Christian Laws and Covenants (contracts) come from God.
God had made a Covenant with Abraham and his seed but a covenant which is a contract is honored when there is a meeting of two minds.
D&C 132: 4, 6-7,
4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.
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6 And as pertaining to the new and everlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my glory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.
7 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.
Gen. 17: 2, 4, 7, 9-11,
2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
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4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
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7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
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9 ¶ And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
3 Ne. 20: 12, 19, 22, 25-27, 29, 46
12 And verily, verily, I say unto you, that when they shall be fulfilled then is the fulfilling of the covenant which the Father hath made unto his people, O house of Israel.
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19 For I will make my people with whom the Father hath covenanted, yea, I will make thy horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass. And thou shalt beat in pieces many people; and I will consecrate their gain unto the Lord, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth. And behold, I am he who doeth it.
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22 And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem. And the powers of heaven shall be in the midst of this people; yea, even I will be in the midst of you.
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25 And behold, ye are the children of the prophets; and ye are of the house of Israel; and ye are of the covenant which the Father made with your fathers, saying unto Abraham: And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 The Father having raised me up unto you first, and sent me to bless you in turning away every one of you from his iniquities; and this because ye are the children of the covenant—
27 And after that ye were blessed then fulfilleth the Father the covenant which he made with Abraham, saying: In thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed—unto the pouring out of the Holy Ghost through me upon the Gentiles, which blessing upon the Gentiles shall make them mighty above all, unto the scattering of my people, O house of Israel.
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29 And I will remember the covenant which I have made with my people; and I have covenanted with them that I would gather them together in mine own due time, that I would give unto them again the land of their fathers for their inheritance, which is the land of Jerusalem, which is the promised land unto them forever, saith the Father.
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46 Verily, verily, I say unto you, all these things shall surely come, even as the Father hath commanded me. Then shall this covenant which the Father hath covenanted with his people be fulfilled; and then shall Jerusalem be inhabited again with my people, and it shall be the land of their inheritance.
Conventional religion does not address these covenants which they would have no authority to do so anyway, where the priesthood of the Lord does not exist!
The Lord said he would have humble people.
2 Chr. 7
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
D&C 1: 28
28 And inasmuch as they were humble they might be made strong, and blessed from on high, and receive knowledge from time to time.
D&C 4: 6
6 Remember faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, brotherly kindness, godliness, charity, humility, diligence.
D&C 11: 12
12 And now, verily, verily, I say unto thee, put your trust in that Spirit which leadeth to do good—yea, to do justly, to walk humbly, to judge righteously; and this is my Spirit.
D&C 12: 8
8 And no one can assist in this work except he shall be humble and full of love, having faith, hope, and charity, being temperate in all things, whatsoever shall be entrusted to his care.
D&C 20: 37
37 And again, by way of commandment to the church concerning the manner of baptism—All those who humble themselves before God, and desire to be baptized, and come forth with broken hearts and contrite spirits, and witness before the church that they have truly repented of all their sins, and are willing to take upon them the name of Jesus Christ, having a determination to serve him to the end, and truly manifest by their works that they have received of the Spirit of Christ unto the remission of their sins, shall be received by baptism into his church.
You seem to think that Mormons are the only ones who believe it's important to keep the commandments and do good works? The bible clearly teaches this time after time. It is through Christ only that we are saved, but he expects us to do our best to keep his commandments.
I would remind you of this very plain language from the NT:
Philip. 2: 12
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.