I kind of thought you might answer that way, but only because you've had your Mormon lenses on too long.
When you read all the LDS P.R. stuff about JS, it's age 14 this and age 14 that.
But Joe was born in 1805. At age 23 (1828) he joined the Methodist church. Whatever supposedly happened to him almost 9 years before wasn't solid enough for him to effect his church membership, even tho later he said he was told to "join none of them" well before he "joined one of them."
Even if you believe that two unnamed personages appeared to him during his mid-teens, at the very least JoeSmith was in apostasy through 1828. There was no was no LDS movement pre-1829 (and some would even say, pre-1830).
So, all I've done is point out that this man began a movement when he was 24-25 years old (even if its roots go a little deeper).
To emphasize this point: Take all of FastCoyote's "tales" about his divinity. Let's say FC is 14 now. Let's say that in a decade, FastCoyote binds up all of his sageness into a single volume called "The Wily Wiles of FastCoyote," and the disciples he seems slow of convincing on FR today mushroom in the year 2017.
Now you and I can argue over the true "root" date--was it 2007 or was it 2017?..but if FastCoyote had never shared any of his sageness from 2007 to 2016, I really don't think you would have much ground to stand on in opposing my contention that his movement began in 2017...and that any other date is pure myth. [Especially if no official & original Vision from Coyote's visit by his Coyote personages even emerges til he turned 30+ in the year 2023]
“At age 23 (1828) he joined the Methodist church.”
This is not correct. He attended the Methodist church; his name appears on some attendance roles. He did not officially join them.
He did say publicly that this was the denomination he was most partial to at the time; I find it sensible that he would seek spiritual nourishment there.
Wow, we learned something! :)
Well said:
[To emphasize this point: Take all of FastCoyote’s “tales” about his divinity. Let’s say FC is 14 now. Let’s say that in a decade, FastCoyote binds up all of his sageness into a single volume called “The Wily Wiles of FastCoyote,” and the disciples he seems slow of convincing on FR today mushroom in the year 2017.
Now you and I can argue over the true “root” date—was it 2007 or was it 2017?..but if FastCoyote had never shared any of his sageness from 2007 to 2016, I really don’t think you would have much ground to stand on in opposing my contention that his movement began in 2017...and that any other date is pure myth. [Especially if no official & original Vision from Coyote’s visit by his Coyote personages even emerges til he turned 30+ in the year 2023]
Whoo Hooo!!! I think I have my first convert, preachin the word of Fast Coyote! I have a P.O. Box in Pahrump where you can send your tithes!
But seriously, I think you understand what I was trying to do with my Godifying and Prophesying ;)