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To: stryker2008
“Mitt is my choice because of the kind of leader he is, not the kind of Church he prays in.”
I have to respect that. Think about this. If LDS republicans in Florida decided to stay home because Hatch didn’t win Al Gore would have become president. That is what a coalition is all about. I am sure you will vote for thompson,Hunter,Rudy, or Newt if they get the Nod. Stay home and let Hillary win. What nonsense.Finaly, The Muslim argument is just plain old fashion religous bigotry.

To take it one step further, the LDS tend to vote in high percentages, and have voted with the appointed conservative in huge numbers. We are a freedom loving people and vote for leaders who tend to govern by Christian principles.

This is from our Doctrine and Covenants, and says it best! I have bolded the points that are thread specific about the so called "Romney factor". It's there in black and white for everyone to see and hear. (if they have eyes to see and ears to hear):

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D&C 134

1 We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society.
2 We believe that no government can exist in peace, except such laws are framed and held inviolate as will secure to each individual the free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property, and the protection of life.
3 We believe that all governments necessarily require civil officers and magistrates to enforce the laws of the same; and that such as will administer the law in equity and justice should be sought for and upheld by the voice of the people if a republic, or the will of the sovereign.
4 We believe that religion is instituted of God; and that men are amenable to him, and to him only, for the exercise of it, unless their religious opinions prompt them to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others; but we do not believe that human law has a right to interfere in prescribing rules of worship to bind the consciences of men, nor dictate forms for public or private devotion; that the civil magistrate should restrain crime, but never control conscience; should punish guilt, but never suppress the freedom of the soul.
5 We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments; and that sedition and rebellion are unbecoming every citizen thus protected, and should be punished accordingly; and that all governments have a right to enact such laws as in their own judgments are best calculated to secure the public interest; at the same time, however, holding sacred the freedom of conscience.
6 We believe that every man should be honored in his station, rulers and magistrates as such, being placed for the protection of the innocent and the punishment of the guilty; and that to the laws all men show respect and deference, as without them peace and harmony would be supplanted by anarchy and terror; human laws being instituted for the express purpose of regulating our interests as individuals and nations, between man and man; and divine laws given of heaven, prescribing rules on spiritual concerns, for faith and worship, both to be answered by man to his Maker.
7 We believe that rulers, states, and governments have a right, and are bound to enact laws for the protection of all citizens in the free exercise of their religious belief; but we do not believe that they have a right in justice to deprive citizens of this privilege, or proscribe them in their opinions, so long as a regard and reverence are shown to the laws and such religious opinions do not justify sedition nor conspiracy.
8 We believe that the commission of crime should be punished according to the nature of the offense; that murder, treason, robbery, theft, and the breach of the general peace, in all respects, should be punished according to their criminality and their tendency to evil among men, by the laws of that government in which the offense is committed; and for the public peace and tranquility all men should step forward and use their ability in bringing offenders against good laws to punishment.
9 We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied.
10 We believe that all religious societies have a right to deal with their members for disorderly conduct, according to the rules and regulations of such societies; provided that such dealings be for fellowship and good standing; but we do not believe that any religious society has authority to try men on the right of property or life, to take from them this world’s goods, or to put them in jeopardy of either life or limb, or to inflict any physical punishment upon them. They can only excommunicate them from their society, and withdraw from them their fellowship.
11 We believe that men should appeal to the civil law for redress of all wrongs and grievances, where personal abuse is inflicted or the right of property or character infringed, where such laws exist as will protect the same; but we believe that all men are justified in defending themselves, their friends, and property, and the government, from the unlawful assaults and encroachments of all persons in times of exigency, where immediate appeal cannot be made to the laws, and relief afforded.
12 We believe it just to preach the gospel to the nations of the earth, and warn the righteous to save themselves from the corruption of the world; but we do not believe it right to interfere with bond-servants, neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them contrary to the will and wish of their masters, nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life, thereby jeopardizing the lives of men; such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust, and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude.

2,354 posted on 05/13/2007 8:42:47 PM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: sevenbak

Thanks for posting that, sevenbak. Since people who are LDS are supposed Kool Aid drinkers, one must conclude that we (including Mitt Romney) would follow our own scriptures when it comes to the role of religion in government. This clearly spells it out for the whole world to see.

I’ve always been amazed that a board created to promote conservatism in America focuses so much on the individual religious differences of its members—even though they all hold the same general political beliefs.


2,357 posted on 05/13/2007 9:02:49 PM PDT by VegasBaby
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To: sevenbak
Let's "break down" the latter part of D&C 134 you cite:

V. 11: We believe that men should appeal to the civil law for redress of all wrongs and grievances, where personal abuse is inflicted or the right of property or character infringed, where such laws exist as will protect the same

This is what got Smith arrested--when he ordered the destruction of a printing press that ran an "expose'" on Smith's philandering deeds. "Physician, heal thyself."

We believe that all governments necessarily require civil officers and magistrates to enforce the laws of the same; and that such as will administer the law in equity and justice should be sought for and upheld by the voice of the people if a republic, or the will of the sovereign.

v. 12: but we do not believe it right to interfere with bond-servants, neither preach the gospel to...

While you can say the apostle Paul was no "free-the-slaves abolitionist," you'd never hear Paul say that slaves were not worthy of receiving the gospel.

This shows the utter detestable contempt that LDS held slaves in--including black slaves. The apostle Paul DID preach the gospel to such a bond-servant by the name of Oneismus (Philemon 10, 13, 15,16)...Paul says that Onesimus departed from Philemon for "a season"--but only to be welcomed as an eternal brother.

v. 12 (cont'd): nor to meddle with [bond-servants]...

Again, Paul DID meddle. He first converted Onesimus, THEN he appealed to Philemon directly, even offering to pay whatever bond was owed on behalf of Onesimus (v. 18-19)

So, what was the LDS' take on Paul's handling of Onesimus?

V. 12 (cont'd): ...such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust, and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude.

Oh, sure, it's better to protect the "status quo peace" of governments engaged in slave-holding than to "interfere" with them.

For EVERY LDS PERSON WHO HAS NEVER PUBLICLY OBJECTED TO D&C 134:12...remedial education for you!!! [Go rent the Wilberforce movie!!!] No wonder those who see LDS as representative of Christianity thinks the entire Christian church constitutes a bunch of racists!!!

2,404 posted on 05/14/2007 9:04:44 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: sevenbak

Thanks for the insight into your faith. Personally, if you checked my posts, I am against Mitt Romney in the primary because of his johnny come lately conversion to conservative principles, not his LDS faith. I do find it black helicopter politics,example,”the mormon plan for america” that Romney is hiding in caves with other mormons trying to take over the world. However, if he uggh, gets the nomination, I am going to work tirelessly for him to defeat Billary. Hopefully you can respect why I am not voting for Romney. His supreme court nominees will be decent and he will bound at least by his rhetoric to conservative principles. However, Hunter for president.


2,837 posted on 05/17/2007 11:26:48 PM PDT by stryker2008
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