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To: MHGinTN; Sherman Logan; P-Marlowe; greyfoxx39
When someone makes an assertion like the following, they haven't much of a clue regarding the way the Israelis are able to use DNA to trace descendants of the twelve tribes all over the world:

The Jewish people do not assimilate people easily into their culture, so it stays genetically pure. As far as markers go.

I said”I would not expect them to be able to find anything because DNA tracking does not work that way.”

Have you gone and looked at the site we were talking about? It was written by an actual geneticist, instead you are quoting..yourself.

The poster has thus implied that the Israelis are not finding what they are surely finding because the Israeli's methods are not making a connection to Native Americans for the LDS researchers who cannot find evidence to support Joe Smith's big lie. I think we have another dancing hamster ...

You have no manners. On this forum if you are going to denigrate someone in this case, me. It is customary to ping them to the post. In essence say that to my face.

That said, the Israelis were a closed pool, comparing with another closed pool (closed pool = people who did not marry outside of their group and genetic purity is important to them.) From these closed pools, remarkable finds were made by the very talented Geneticists in Israel.

The Indians were a promiscuous genetic people, and would marry anyone and kept no record of genealogy, thus connecting anything to them is hit or miss (mostly miss) To deny valid points in an argument and then running off and have a conversation behind your opponent’s back where you congratulate yourselves on your non-victory, well smacks of cowardice.

Please prove this impression wrong.
1,740 posted on 05/09/2007 8:30:27 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser; MHGinTN; Sherman Logan
FWIW, I am not interested in this DNA debate.

Thanks.

1,745 posted on 05/09/2007 8:38:11 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: DelphiUser
The Jewish people do not assimilate people easily into their culture, so it stays genetically pure. As far as markers go.

Quite true, with the caveat that there have been periods in Hebrew history when they were a good deal more free about intermarrying with "strange women."

Christ, for instance, no doubt had a good deal of "foreign" in his legal (Joseph-side) ancestry, as the Judean kings often married into foreign royal families for diplomatic reasons. This did not, of course, directly affect his genetic ancestry through Mary, by whom he was descended from David through a different line.

David himself had a a foreign (Moabite) great-grandmother in Ruth.

The laws of war given to Jews allowed them to take captive (foreign) women as wives, with their children being full Jews.

It does not appear that the Jews got really persnickety about interbreeding until after their return from Exile in Babylon.

1,746 posted on 05/09/2007 8:43:15 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: Oz
The case of the Lemba (the people in Southern Africa who claimed to be related to the Jews and were shown to be in fact related via genes) shows that DNA evidence can confirm Hebrew ancestry. The case of the inhabitants of the island of Madagascar (connecting them to very disatnt gene pool separated by thousands of miles of ocean) establishes that genetic studies can provide evidence of transoceanic voyages by ancient peoples - even when those people subsequently intermingled with other people of different lineages. [Important, because the poster claimed that the gene pool had been watered down since the imaginery migrating Israelites landed on the Americas.]

Studies of human populations on the island of Madagascar indicate a mixture of Indonesian genetic markers and East African markers. The Indonesian lineages have been traced to Borneo. This means that about 1500-2000 years ago, Indonesians traveled by boat 4000 miles across the Indian Ocean from Borneo to Madagascar.

[Source, if anyone would like to dig some http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/genome/genesandbody/hg07n010.html]

1,749 posted on 05/09/2007 8:52:48 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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