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I will go further and state we will never know for sure if BY was involved or not.

I suppose you are correct. Some people will never look at evidence as proof, but rely on a burning bosom in determining truth. Most of the those who know the story are utterly convinced that Brigham Young knew and covered it up. Some are even convinced that he ordered it. And then there are those Mormons who fail to even explore the possibility.

I suppose you are correct. Some people will never look at evidence as proof, but rely on a burning bosom in determining truth.

This increasingly hypothetical person would not be me.

I have asked for facts and am rejecting supposition and third party testimony as unreliable. To me (and that is who I have to live with) this is only one reasonable way of coming to a conclusion about how surely you can know something.

BTW my testimony is NOT an issue here, whether BY did or did not get involved it will not impact my testimony, so I do not have a “Dog in this hunt”. You on the other hand have stated that your conclusions on this “Prove” that the church is not true, and that is something that you are most defiantly influenced by. You are the one suffering from objectivity problems here; you are the one who has family entanglements here. The outcome of my analysis will not effect me except as an interesting footnote in history.

Most of the those who know the story are utterly convinced that Brigham Young knew and covered it up. Some are even convinced that he ordered it.

Do you have a survey, or is this more supposition on your part. And how did you measure their knowledge in your survey anyway, LOL.

And then there are those Mormons who fail to even explore the possibility.

ROTFLOL!

So I reject some evidence as being too shaky for me, and don’t disagree with you, but don’t agree either and suddenly I am the one jumping to conclusions? Do you know how this sounds CC?

What we have here is a failure of perspective inhibiting communication and I am not talking about you, and me, I am talking about the whole thread including you and me.