They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today

Saundra Duffy

[George W. Bush]

I don’t mean to offend, and I don’t want a fight; but there have been many instances where someone who is a member of the LDS Church has posted an equally cogent, complete, and referenced post as yours, which reaches the conclusion that faith and works go hand in hand, and those who disagree with use have simply dismissed it as “spin,” “twisting scripture to suit your needs,” and “dodging the issue.”

Your post, probably inadvertently, shows why you'd find that if you visit the Smoky Backroom sometime (that secret underwear had better have an asbestos lining), you'd find that in many theological discussions, you were much closer or in complete agreement with Roman Catholic side than to Protestants, Baptists, charismatics and evangelicals.

Just an observation. When the "faith alone, grace alone" vs. "faith plus works" argument comes up, this is how the theological divide falls.

Roman Catholics would simply have fewer problem with Mormons on these theological issues. And, of course, Roman Catholics have had a certain amount of hostility from non-Catholics in this country as well, similarly to the experience of Mormons.

[restornu]

FM

[George W. Bush]

That is true; as uncomfortable as it may be for little ol’ me to be part of a group that is about to go under such a microscope, it is fantastic publicity.

There'd be publicity all right if a President Romney was elected in 2008, appointed a pro-life justice to the Court in 2009 and Roe was overturned in 2010.

Yeah, the libmedia would get very interested in everything Mormon, I think.

Still, I've noticed that the Utah legislature can hang pretty tough. If Romney really is who he says he is, I think he can handle. Personally, I think there are indications he and his wife have crossed into the pro-life camp and there is no turning back for them. It might be she was the one who went pro-life first. There is a lovely and maternal quality to the woman that I think would recoil from the horror of abortion. It's just not the sort of thing her life is about. This is not unusual, that the wife's pro-life convictions precede her husband's. I think it's far more often the case that the wife has the greatest influence in this.

[restornu]

Why does that part of the Abrahamic Covenant offends you?

How else is a child of God going to hone their skills if they don’t practiced?

And what better teacher than the Lord to tutor those are teachable?

[colorcountry]

Why does that part of the Abrahamic Covenant offends you?

The Abrahamic covenant does not offend me. It was made to the descendants of Abraham. Christ fulfilled the law. That you still feel you are somehow under it is just another reason to see that Mormons are not Christian.

Christians do not live under the Abrahamic Covenant.

What do you think MHGinTN - greyfoxx? Are you offended by the Abrahamic covenant?

[George W. Bush]

It is exactly like that in Utah. There is something almost devious about some who use Mormonism for their own gain. It is rampant!

With the Catholics, it's often their Knights of Columbus.

And the rest of us have the same things, sometimes via charitable organizations, sometimes via involvement with Masonry, etc.

There was a reason Christ drove the money-changers from the temple. A warning to those who would follow Him.

It's an open question whether Mormons have any bigger problem with this in towns or regions where they predominate than the other denominations have in their areas.

[restornu]

The scandal was set-up and fabricated, the men who worked on the bid did nothing out of the ordinary Olympic bid

Sound like a little Rosie is creeping in....

The LDS Church is forking out millions to build a new shopping mall in downtown Salt Lake. This just isn't normal behavior for a Church - no matter who you are, and especially one that is extremely secretive about their investments, holdings and income. There is no accountability to the members. NONE!

None of those monies come from tithes it is from those with means.

I am sure many recent the buffer being built around the temple.

[restornu]

Boloney the way you spin but you are a free agent!

[colorcountry]

Resty did you know that Tom Welch and Dave Johnson who were in charge of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee were eventually acquitted of all criminal charges in December 2003.

Although Salt Lake was not the first city to use creative bid tactics, it was the first to use them to such an extent, as well as the first to get caught. There were also allegations that Atlanta, Nagano, and Sydney had used similar tactics. In 2006, a report ordered by the Nagano region’s governor said the Japanese city provided millions of dollars in an “illegitimate and excessive level of hospitality” to IOC members, including $4.4 million spent on entertainment alone.

Now you must ask yourself, who placed the blame on Salt Lake City and why?

(donning my tinfoil hat)

[colorcountry]

I don’t believe Mormons have a bigger problem than the rest of us.

They are sinners just like the rest of us. They are not superior or....as one poster put it “more blessed.”

[restornu]

Why does that part of the Abrahamic Covenant offends you?
The Abrahamic covenant does not offend me. It was made to the descendants of Abraham. Christ fulfilled the law. That you still feel you are somehow under it is just another reason to see that Mormons are not Christian.

Christians do not live under the Abrahamic Covenant.

What do you think MHGinTN - greyfoxx? Are you offended by the Abrahamic covenant?

*****

God gave the gospel to Abraham—Mosaic law added because of transgressions—The law was a schoolmaster to bring Israel to Christ—The saints are children of god by faith—All who are of the faith, and baptized into Christ, become Abraham’s seed.

Gal 3
1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[restornu]

It is preception so giving the wrong impression it not good so folks require higher standard not business as usual!

[colorcountry]

Ever what you say then.???

Perhaps you should read the article at this link. It is interesting.

http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=505

[restornu]

I perfer to be opptimic in life, you continue to look for things to justify.

The old saying-

KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE DONUT NOT ON THE HOLE!

[MHGinTN]

Before I respond, are there other yokes you have me wear, Resty?

[rwfromkansas]

Saundra,

While it is nice of you to post your personal paper on this forum, I must disagree. I like Mormons. They are great people. Would I vote for one? I don’t know. One day I say the religion does not matter. The next day I believe it does.

I really do not know if I could vote for Romney until election day.

If it kept me from Hillary, I would likely hold my nose and do it, but I do want a president that shares solid American values.

Believing that Jesus walked in America is not one of them. Believing that some tablets had seerstones and yet nobody ever saw these supposed tablets since it had to be re-written is silly. It is not the mark of an intelligent person.

I frankly question the credibility of Mr. Romney because of his acceptance of stupidity.

What will he do to this country if given the chance?

“As I said, all one must do is browse around the LDS official web site to see what the LDS Church believes and stands for.”

Obviously the church itself will ignore some of its more “flavorful” past and beliefs.

I am not saying those who accuse Mormons of some really out there beliefs are correct. But, it is true that they believe Jesus left a second testimony here in America.

And that is simply NOT Biblical. The Bible is the end of God’s canon of revelation. Period.

Anything that contradicts the Bible is not Christian.

Mr. Romney may be a great guy like most Mormons, but I will have a hard time supporting him if he is the nominee. I may do it. But, I just do not know.

[rwfromkansas]

Why won’t they allow excavation and a search of the site if nothing happened?

[restornu]

Huh?

[rwfromkansas]

I have not heard one anti-Mormon sermon.