They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today

Saundra Duffy

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Jesus Christ was murdered on the cross by politicians, lawyers and religious leaders who thought killing him would destroy his religion, the were wrong. would you follow such a weak person?

To call Jesus weak, and to lable him as a person, shows how far you have fallen from the mark. I really have nothing else to say to you, now.

[colorcountry]

I do however find it sad that you take a personal tragedy and make it our fault.

Please do not ascribe motive to me. I left the Church because it is deceptive and anti-christian. What you have done is in violation of the policies of FreeRepublic. Don't do it again.

[DelphiUser]

Any religion that teaches that Jesus was a created being, the brother of Satan, and that the members of that religion themselves will become gods who control their own universe someday is definitely not Christian no matter what’s in their “title” and can’t be compared with Catholicism, which isn’t a cult.

LOL technically any organized religion is a cult.

Did you know that up until the First council at Nice these views were common in the catholic church?

When Constantine (the emperor of Rome) called council of Bishops, he was not even a Christian, but a pagan politician who wanted to use Christianity to unite his empire. He needed the Christians to cease fighting and called a council (with the implied threat of death for non attendees) He offered the carrot of lifting the ban on Christians and making it the state religion. The Roman Catholic Church and the Nicene Creed is what you got from that. A creed designed to appeal to the masses of pagans Constantine wanted to become “Catholics”. It’s a matter of history, here, go look it up at the catholic web site The First Council at Nicaea

Jesus Christ and Satan and us being brothers and created spiritually by God before time, look up Arius, and the Arian Controversy (just Google it) Hippolytus, the great grandson of John the beloved wrote a series of books called “Refutation of All Heresies” I love the summation of book X (ten), here is the quote:

you shall escape the worm that ceaselessly coils for food around the body whose scum6 has bred it. Now such (torments) as these shall you avoid by being instructed in a knowledge of the true God. And you shall possess an immortal body, even one placed beyond the possibility of corruption, just like the soul. And you shall receive the kingdom of heaven, you who, while you sojourned in this life, knew the Celestial King. And you shall be a companion of the Deity, and a co-heir with Christ, no longer enslaved by lusts or passions, and never again wasted by disease. For you have become God:7 for whatever sufferings you underwent while being a man, these He gave to you, because you were of mortal mould, but whatever it is consistent with God to impart, these God has promised to bestow upon you, because you have been deified, and begotten unto immortality.7 This constitutes the import of the proverb, "Know yourself; "i.e., discover God within yourself, for He has formed you after His own image. For with the knowledge of self is conjoined the being an object of God's knowledge, for you are called by the Deity Himself. Be not therefore inflamed, O you men, with enmity one towards another, nor hesitate to retrace7 with all speed your steps. For Christ is the God above all, and He has arranged to wash away sin from human beings,7 rendering regenerate the old man. And God called man His likeness from the beginning, and has evinced in a figure His love towards you. And provided you obey His solemn injunctions, and becomest a faithful follower of Him who is good, you shall resemble Him, inasmuch as you shall have honour conferred upon you by Him. For the Deity, (by condescension,) does not diminish anything of the divinity of His divine7 perfection; having made you even God unto His glory!7

There is actually quite a lot of support for Mormon Doctrine that does not come from the Mormon church.

I am glad you would be willing to Vote for Romney, I am glad you seem to have something of an open mind, her is information, go learn and you will never have to quote what you were told again.

MHO only knowing what we have been told makes us sound like a liberal, and I for one hate sounding like that!

P.S. you might want to check out Fred Thompson, that’s who I am pulling for.

[DelphiUser]

I see many Christians wearing magical crucifixes. Magical?

I think you just shot yourself in the foot.

I think that was satire on the "Magical Underwear" comment.

Maybe a /humor tag was in order.

[DelphiUser]

A certain type of undergarment is supposed to protect from demonic spirits."

No, I'm not joking.

No cloth will protect you, covenants with God on the other hand which Garments are to remind you of will protect you. No, I’m not joking either.

[andysandmikesmom]

I do not really know any Mormons, nor had any experiences with them...but my parents had an experience with them, that I wish to relate...

Before I begin, I will say, that many on this thread today, probably have disagreed with me quite strenuously on other matters such as the Terri Shiavo case, and in the evolution/creation/ID debates...

That being said, I will still present my story of my parents encounter with some fine Mormons, and please, take my story for its face value, and not with any other baggage one might see attatched to me, for disagreements in the past, that I have had with other posters...

Almost 20 years ago is when this occurred...my dad was not feeling well, and had not been well for some time...my mom, was at the time in early state Alzheimers...we did not know this at the time...dad tho, sensed something was wrong with her...now he felt something was wrong with him...mom did not drive and so my dads sister took dad, and mom to the doctor...after some tests and whatever, dad was diagnosed with cancer...

My dads sister brought my parents home, and then she left...my parents were now left to ponder their future, and how dads treatment would affect their lives...it was a sobering and sad moment...they lived in one state, I lived in another...they had just gotten home from the doctors and were getting ready to call me, to let me know what had happened...

About that time, two young Mormon gentlement, in their evangelizing rounds stopped at mom and dads house and introducted themselves...mom, a life long Methodist, said, no thanks, we are Methodist, we dont intend to change to being Mormons, and she was ready for them to leave, distraught as she was...but these two fellas noticed something not right with my parents, and asked if they could help...so mom invited them in,and I suppose since they were the ones there at the time, mom just broke down crying and poured out her heart to these two young men...dad I guess was also crying...to be sure, this was a sad sight...

These two Mormon gentlemen, then proceeded to tell mom and dad, that they would help my parents until I arrived to help care for them...mom told these men she was going to call me, and she was sure, I would be arriving in a few days...these two fine Mormons, set about making life easier for my parents, until I got there...they checked in each day, several times a day with my parents...

They mowed my parents lawn...they watered the flowers....they watered the grass...they went to the store, they helped with some of the household chores, they did anything and everything they could to help mom and dad hold on until I got there...

Once I arrived, these two fine Mormon fellas just went on their way...now, they knew from the outset, witnessing to my parents about the Mormon faith, would not produce any results...mom told them so upfront, and I suspect they believed her..they could have gone on their way, going to other homes, preaching their faith, and could have just forgotten all about my mom and dad..

But the point of this long story, is that these two fine Mormons did not forget about my mom and dad...they took it upon themselves, without being asked, to be my parents special guardian angels, until I arrived...they had no hope of converting my parents, they surely sacrified their time helping these two elderly people, that they barely knew..yet they seemed to believe that helping my parents was something God called them to do, regardless of the sacrifice needed on their part, and so they did provide my parents with much needed help...

They did not seek to convert my parents, they did not seek to pass out any literature, they did not seek to tell my parents the history of the Mormon church..what they did seek out to do, was to help two scared, frightened, elderly people at a time in their lives, when they so very badly needed someone to help them over the hump, until I arrived to deal with the situation...

Isn’t it possible, that should Mitt Romney become President, that he could act as these two Mormon gentlemen who helped my parents?...had anyone not known that these two fellas were Mormons, they would have thought instead, here were just two fine fellas doing what was right for two old people who needed their help...they never brought their religious beliefs per se, into the mix...in other words, they ‘lived’ their religious beliefs, rather than just ‘talking’ about their religious beliefs...

Cant Mitt Romney do the same thing?....couldnt he live up to the expectations of being a fine president, not because he choses to bring his religious beliefs as a Mormon to the White House, but rather because his Mormon beliefs have made him the man that he is today?

Personally I think that Mitt Romney is completely capable of being a fine president, and that those who wont even discuss the possibility of Miss Romney being President, merely because he happens to be a Mormon, are doing him a great disservice...

Sorry for such a long post, but I just felt it was necessary to show where my thinking is coming from...

[DelphiUser]

>What class was it in, “How to use hyper-emotional hyperbolic rhetoric to play the victim’s role”????

Why, are you teaching one?

Welcome to the thread NNN.

[Degaston]

I am proud to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I too am a member of the LDS church. In fact I'm technically a High Priest. I was ordained such on my 28th birthday in 1999. But I do see that the Mitt's membership in the LDS church is causing him some problems in his presidential bid. He's been a Bishop and Stake President so he's definitely deep in it. And frankly I think he'd be a great U.S. President. But he's hampered by the mistrust that people have towards the church. Why this mistrust? Because the church's history is so new/recent and full of problems. Look how Brigham Young covered up the Mountain Meadow Massacre. Today the church still won't admit the obvious facts in this incident. As a boy I was misled in Seminary on the facts. Look how they cover up their involvement in polygamy. How many church members know that Wilford Woodruff and his son Owen Woodruff (a member of the Quorum of the Twelve) took additional plural wives after 1890? How many know that Spencer W. Kimball's father-in-law took additional wives after 1890? So did Mitt Romney's great-grandfather Miles. The gospel says that if you make a mistake that you must repent. Well I agree and it starts with church historians doing this.

[greyfoxx39]

Regardless, without Utah, there would be no Bush administration in the White House.

You gotta be kidding.

Even discounting Utah, it would be difficult to believe that the Mormon voters of Florida did not provide far more than the margin of 500 votes for our victory in 2000.

Oh, I see! You ARE kidding.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Saundra, did you know that your fellow Mormon sevenbak does not pray the same way that you do?

[colorcountry]

I agree with you. Mormon missionaries are trained to convert people with loving acts. If you don’t believe me watch the PBS documentary (second night).

I was taught as a young LDS girl to “always be a missionary.” In fact it is the calling of every single LDS individual. Mormons are castigated when their lack of righteous living leads someone astray (away from mormonism).

Here are some links from the official LDS website, to back my observations. http://lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b12f9d18fae655bb69095bd3e44916a0/?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=dfe9e2270ed6c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

http://lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b12f9d18fae655bb69095bd3e44916a0/?vgnextoid=f318118dd536c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=c9c46169b62fe010VgnVCM100000176f620a____&hideNav=1

A gospel-sharing (proselyting) home is one in which neighborhood children love to play, making it natural to invite them and their family to attend church, a family home evening, or some other activity. Teenagers visiting a gospel-sharing home feel comfortable asking questions or participating with the family in prayer.

A sister in France was asked about the secret of her success. She said, “I simply share my joy. I treat everyone as if they were already a member of the Church. If I’m standing by someone in line and strike up a conversation, I share with them how much I enjoyed my Church meetings on Sunday. When co-workers ask, ‘What did you do this weekend?’ I do not skip from Saturday night to Monday morning. I share with them that I went to church, what was said, and my experiences with the Saints. I talk about how I live, think, and feel.”

andyandmikesmom, Mormonism teaches that every member should use any oportunity and any means necessary to convert people. So do Christians. But don’t assume there was no ulterior motive in the actions of these young men. They are sent on Mission precisely to do what they did for your parents. This is one of their “methods of operation.” They were doing their job, and doing it very well.

One of the prime motivators might be that they will not achieve the Celestial glory (to live with the Father) without performing these works. Much of Mormonism is composed of perfect obedience to laws....one of which is missionary work.

[andysandmikesmom]

I appreciate your reply..whatever their motivations, these two men provided a fine service to my parents and to me...they alleviated the worry that I had about not being to be there immediately with my parents..as I said, I lived in one state, my parents in another, I had to make travel plans, I had to make plans for my family to operate smoothly without my being there, and that all took a couple of days...

My mom would call me and tell me not to worry...they had their ‘gentlemen’ helpers, who were there to assist them until I got there...that certainly alleviated any fears and worries I had...

Whatever their motivations, they were two of the finest men in this world, as far as I am concerned...and if what they did was a part of their missionary work, then I say, job well done...

[colorcountry]

I would say there job was well done also.

Look at how you view Mormons in response to their acts. They garnered precisely the result they set out to achieve. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if you call the Church and request additional information on the LDS religion.

If so, then we Christians have failed in our duty toward you and your parents. We should be very aware of our own failings.

[George W. Bush]

Look for the Mormons to propagate the Religious Bigotry card as the Kennedy's did in the 1960 election. Let's all see how it works for them.

Other than Mormons here at FR using Romney as their personal soapbox for grievances, I've seen nothing of the sort. The first big downside I see in nominating Romney is that FreeRepublic would become all-Mormonism-all-the-time. It would be a Mormonorama extravaganza. Well, I suppose management could deal with it.

Romney does not appear to be especially religious. He has said, when asked, that every church has its own peculiar beliefs and said it in such a way as to indicate that he knows Mormonism is a little odd and that he might not agree with entirely. He almost, but didn't quite, blush.

To tell the truth, I think Romney is much more drawn to it for the Scouting and the focus on family life and community. I don't perceive him as being very theological. For one thing, that would be highly unusual in any corporate CEO type. That just doesn't fit their mold and the culture of corporate America. Corporate America genuinely dislikes profound religious convictions.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Did you know that there is a standing admonition against personal attacks?

[George W. Bush]

I think that was satire on the "Magical Underwear" comment.

So do the Mormons have something like a Mormonia's Secrets lingerie catalog? Is it worth getting a copy?

[DelphiUser]

It has happened. Clinton was elected because he wore briefs. Evidently not nearly as often as he should have. :)

You are Bad my FRiend, but bad in a good way. LOL!

[colorcountry]

You were told to stop needling each other. Were you not?

This following other posters to other threads to harrass them needs to stop Delphi.

[DelphiUser]

"You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

Are you certain that if Romney took the presidential oath of office it would supersede this oath?

Are you seriously saying that if a member of the Mormon Church gets into office that they will subvert the constitution and give the U.S. Treasury to the church? (Not that it has much but IOUs to the SS program in it now anyway.) If not please explain exactly what you mean by this.

What exactly is it you think a Mormon president would do wrong because of his oaths?

[colorcountry]

Romney does not appear to be especially religious. He has said, when asked, that every church has its own peculiar beliefs and said it in such a way as to indicate that he knows Mormonism is a little odd and that he might not agree with entirely. He almost, but didn't quite, blush.

To tell the truth, I think Romney is much more drawn to it for the Scouting and the focus on family life and community. I don't perceive him as being very theological. For one thing, that would be highly unusual in any corporate CEO type. That just doesn't fit their mold and the culture of corporate America. Corporate America genuinely dislikes profound religious convictions.

Then perhaps he has you fooled. Romney has been a Bishop, Stake President, and is currently a High Priest in the order of Melchezedek. He is a very high ecclesiastical leader in the LDS Church. His office of Stake President is higher than that of Priest in a Catholic Church or Pastor in a Protestant Church. He was over many different Church Wards. Don't be fooled by his "almost" blush. He is very well steeped in Mormon doctrine, and abides by it's tenets to the "T."