Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
BBL = be back later!
I had to get ready for a ride that will pick me up soon
FM means= freep mail
FM means= freep mail
PM is a former mormon left when he was 18 yrs old. So he should know these things as he told some of us before!
Does that mean that God did not create man?
LOL. Okay then, now I know the lingo.
Hey thank you for reminding me of that letter I sent to you in January of 2006. I can’t believe you kept it!
It moved me to tears as I read it again, and I remember the great love of Jesus I found when I established a personal, loving relationship with Him at age 45 in a small, Bible believing, non-denominational Church. Wow, it was AWESOME!
Is it Protestant or Catholic?
“BTW for restornu .... I had a very strong testimony. That’s a fact and all your suggestions that this wasn’t so are simply rubbish. I mourned my loss of testimony in Mormonism very deeply and would love to have it back if such a thing were honestly possible. Frankly the biggest problem facing the church today is the ever-willingness of its defenders to spin, lie, distort, withhold the truth, etc. on any issue that comes up which might not make the church look good. Some members wearing rose-colored glasses don’t see how foolish this makes them look. But for those outside the fold its quite obvious. And your statements about me are definitely false.”
That is a huge problem. As Mormon true believers twist and turn to square the eight-ball, they become a danger to themselves and others.
There is a personal apostacy, and than there is one that the world is under or was divorced from in general, because of unauthoried changes that was noted in Gal 1. that was so soon taking place.
Paul and the saints tried to maintian the Word until the last apostle was killed off or take from the earth!
You are near and dear in my heart!:)
Should the Mormons of today have to explain why they hold a man, who most likely was involved in ordering the MMM and who spent years denying it and covering it up, in such high regard?
Brigham Young.
BBL time to dress and wait for my ride but will answer soon!:)
“But in all this tanglement God knows what happen that day!”
Yes God does. ANd I take great pleasure in the fact that all involved in it are in Hell.
I am sure that will be the case but I did not know judgment day came already...
I am still waiting upon the Lord!
Please show us your proof of Brigham Young was involved not your wishful thinking?
Would you not admit he was involved in the coverup?
That holds true for many churches. However, a mormon is not allowed to enter the doors of a temple unless he has paid a "full and honest" tithe, in order to obtain a "recommend" to do so from the bishop. Therefore, he must declare that, if not at a "tithing settlement", at an interview to obtain the "recommend."
Additionally, since full salvation to a mormon requires that he perform certain rituals held only in said temple, he cannot enter the "celestial kingdom" which many others might consider "Heaven".
A consequence of NOT obtaining a "recomend" or being temple worthy is that if one's child marries in the LDS temple one is not allowed to attend the nuptial ceremony and indeed, must wait outside the doors of the temple.
Seems coercive to me.
There may be other churches that have similar rules regarding tithing, but I, thankfully, have no personal knowledge of them. The only transaction I have with my church regarding tithing is a statement mailed to me at the end of the year for tax purposes.
I have often wondered about this: All the temple ordinances are required for one to enter the "celestial kingdom" and all the ordinances are performed for the dead. First the baptism (can be performed by proxy by anyone over 12) then the endowment, then the sealing to one's family.
All the ordinances are indeed needed before one can get to the "celestial kingdom". If the mormons are baptizing people after they die to provide them with the chance at salvation thru their temple rituals, and tithing is required of living members to obtain same, how do they collect the tithe from the dead?
The NT makes clear distinctions between individual sins (plural)--individual acts of wrong-doing vs. sin (singular)--a power, a power that can rule.
Example: Jesus has been going along talking about sins (plural). John 8:24 (twice). He mentions "sins" again in v. 34. But he does something interesting. He switches from "sins" to "sin" in the same sentence: "Jesus replied, 'I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin." (John 8:34)
Jesus is saying (to paraphrase), "When you screw up morally, it's rooted in the power (of original sin) that controls you." LDS acknowledge that Jesus has the power to free folks from original sin...the problem is they apply it across the board to everyone. Look around you. Does LDS theology of ridding the world of original sin look like it's operative in the world today? (Hardly) Does it look more like a world of "free agents" or a world of folks in bondage to sin (Eph. 2:1).
Look at Romans 6 and you'll see sin described in rulership language.
But it doesn't have to be that way. "So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." [The "if" is there to let folks know it's not a "when" for everybody...John 8:36] 8:36)
First of all, how have you quoted a verse here that really says anything different than the other BoM verse after grace kicking in only AFTER you've done everything you can do? What does this verse from Hell . say? That folks are restored unto grace how? ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS!!!!
Leave it to Joe Smith to just absolutely butcher the concept of grace! Grace means "favor" and "gift." It's not done according to merit. It's not earned. It's not meted out according to works, or according to all you can do.
What? If you have kids, at Christmas time when you hand out gifts to your kids, do they turn to you and say, "Dad. Great gift. Thanks. Just what I wanted. What did I do to deserve it." You say: "Nothing. I've given it to you out of my love."
"No Dad, really. If I'm not worthy or deserving of this gift, what can I do to earn it." [You get the picture. But just imagine that convo going back and forth, back and forth, endlessly so...where you just cannot convince the kid that it's free because he's read the BoM and totally associates grace with works...Pretty soon, you as a Dad would start to become offended...to think that your generosity is on sale to the highest bidder.]
SHhhhhh.....They tithe dead people. LOL
I’m just kidding. You can’t get blood from a turnip or a dead person....LOL
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