Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
Hurray!!!!! A truer post I have never seen come under your screename! (grin)
I do not believe that all are saved from hell.
Plenty of people will go to hell. Some already act like it, too. :>)
I said all are saved from hell, EXCEPT the Sons of Perdition.
You wanna explain how the LDS can claim to be a "restoration of the original church" and not be a restoration of the original church? Why, I thought one of the "plain and precious things" that was lost in the NT church was all the prophetesses that abounded in and after Jesus' time?
Anna (Luke 2:36); the four daughters of Philip who prophesied (Acts 21:9-10); the prophesy of Joel said by Luke to be fulfilled in the NT days, "Your sons and daughters will prophesy" (Acts 2:17). The OT prophets were not priests, you know. So why do LDS prophets need to be also priests?
And what about Rev. 1:5-6: "Unto him that loves us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood..." (Okay, who exactly has he "washed...from our sins in his own blood..?" Just men? No way.) Now keep reading in v. 6: "and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father..."
The same "us" that is washed from our sins is the same "us" who are made to be kings and priests.
I'm going to have to disagree somewhat with SD on this too. It may not happen from the pulpit directly, that's not what the pulpit is for or at least shouldn't be. The fact is is that it DOES happen in a church related setting. This is an undisputed fact. There are classes taught on "witnessing to Mormons" and other such "exposing Mormonism" related things. These are advertised on Church bulletin board all the time, I've seen them and continue to do so.
I would suspect that were SD's statement broadened to include these "extracurricular" church activities, it would be more accurate.
LOL! Only when they go hiking and are "not prepared".
Look it up, it's likely on You Tube. I saw it on CNN or some such, so it's out there.
Greyfoxx, didn't you say you were a former member? If so, why do you not know this answer? Because of this, I am thinking that you were either not a member of were not a practicing member. Please clarify.
Tithing Settlement is an honor based system. There are no records, tax receipts, check stubs, or anything like that. The bishop asks if you are a full tithe payer, and you say yes or no. Whither you are full, part, or non- tithe payer, a discussion usually ensues about the principles of tithing, including sacrifice, obedience, faith, blessings, etc. (see Malachi 3)
If you are trying to say that the Methodist church Massacred Indians you are wrong.
I live on former Cherokee land. The Five Civilized Tribes were hunted down and force marched to Oklahoma even after The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in "Worcester v. Georgia" that the Cherokee Nation was entitled to U.S. Federal protection from the actions of individual states. The Rev. Worcester was a missionary to the Cherokee and went to prison with other missionaries in order to bring the case to the Supreme Court. There were Moravians, Presbyterians and Methodists that attempted to prevent the injustices to the Native Americans.
In the same way "The Sand Creek Massacre" was perpetrated by the the U.S. Army. When the War between the states broke out the Colorado territorial governor offered Chivington a chaplain commission but he refused it, saying he wanted to fight. He became a Major in the 1st Colorado Volunteers. That indicates that he no longer represented the Methodist Church.
There were Methodists on both sides of the Civil War, just as there were Methodists on both sides of the Manifest Destiny driven suppression of the Indians.
Some Utahns are more Utahn than others. ;-)
Also you don't have to even sign up or go to settlement!:)
http://lds.families.com/blog/tithing-settlement
At tithing settlement you have the chance to review how much tithing and other donations you have paid, and compare it to your personal records. At the end of the year you will receive a statement, which you can use when you file your taxes. Tithing is considered a charitable contribution.
Yes, you were misinformed, unless that actually happened. If it did, it was not supposed to and has no place in the Bishops calling to even ask such a thing.
Also, from this I can see that I was misinformed about you being a former Mormon. I apologize for confusing you with someone else.
No. The Lord is faithful on His part: Jesus as Savior really saves "whosoever."
If you saved a man from drowning tomorrow, just because he might commit suicide 30 years from now doesn't mean you didn't save him from death. You did. You were faithful.
There are several dimensions of salvation in Scripture: Future tense (heaven); present tense: knowing Christ now; past tense (Calvary).
A man who is spiritually saved is operating both upon past tense (Calvary) and present tense (knowing Christ). Salvation from this earth, as Jesus' letters to the 7 churches in Revelation 2 & 3 emphasize over & over, includes "enduring to the end" and being an "overcomer." That's not something we do in our own power, by the way, in case you're tempted to inject works again into the picture.
Anyway, in addition to be saved "for" something, there's also things we are saved "from": sin & the devil, for example. A person who calls upon the name of the Lord is subject to be saved from sin and the devil.
If they don't reject the true Christ anytime later in their life, then salvation from hell is also a future reality. As for those who lose their salvation, please read Hebrews 6.
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At tithing settlement you have the chance to review how much tithing and other donations you have paid, and compare it to your personal records. At the end of the year you will receive a statement, which you can use when you file your taxes. Tithing is considered a charitable contribution.
You have a chance to do that, but not with your Bishop. TS is actually a process, not a one time event with your Bishop. Usually sometime near the end of the year, and before TS, a clerk prints a receipt and discreetly gives it to each member. You then have that info to compare with your own records before you come to TS. At TS, its' really short and yes, no type questions between you and the Bishop.
I don’t buy it.
If loss of salvation is true, and it is true that we continue to sin just as Paul says in Romans 7; therefore, no saved person will be saved.
It makes more sense that Salvation is final.
OH Oh Pick me!!
I have similar feelings. In fact, while on mission, I made it a lifelong goal to never turn into a "Utah Mormon". While that sounds bad, it's a cultural thing that can sometimes git kind of quirky.
If you've ever spent a goodly amount of time in an orthodox Jewish suburb of Jerusalem, you'll know exactly what I mean. ;-)
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