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Find out the TRUTH about Terris Fight for life
Amazon.com:Review ^ | April 22, 2006 | Debra M. Ferguson

Posted on 05/03/2007 3:17:03 AM PDT by 8mmMauser

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To: 8mmMauser

Was it National Right to Life’s Fetal Pain Act Jill writes about
or the Sedation Murder Act?

Had Hitler given the Jews pain pills before gassing, would we
remember him as a more compassionate Nazi?


821 posted on 06/23/2007 5:35:45 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: T'wit

Well, it is cool and crisp here too but the connection is so clear, it is a scientific marvel. The only drawback is the time it takes to complete a thought, to send, wait, and to receive. It is taking a bit longer than usual, but I ate too much at lunch today and excuse my lethargic typing on drowsiness. I find myself asking, “What would Franklin do?”


822 posted on 06/23/2007 2:16:53 PM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All

This thread has gone quiet for a bit in part due to our lengthy AMTRAK adventure across America, and now, travel to New York, a trip to be completed in a couple days. No matter what the conveniences, it is difficult to keep up with all while on travel, at least for me.


823 posted on 06/25/2007 5:45:28 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
It is encouraging to me to glimpse the mindset of the far left and to realize just how far off the track of reason they drift. Here is a classic of that logic from none other than the Puffington Host...

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My college-aged daughter Lily, home for the summer, ran into the kitchen early Friday morning with The New York Times in her hand in disbelief.

"Mom, have you seen this? It's just wrong."

She opened the paper and pointed to an op-ed titled "Why Pro-Choice Is a Bad Choice for Democrats" by Melinda Henneberger.

Lily couldn't be more right. And Henneberger couldn't be more wrong.

The "opinion" piece attempted to justify Ms. Henneberger's own conclusion about the issue of women's rights by anecdotal conversations she has held across America -- eerily similar to Justice Kennedy's opinion in the recent Supreme Court decision, in which he opined that, despite the fact that there is no reliable data, women might later come to regret an abortion -- implying, therefore, it shouldn't be fully their decision.

What have we come to?

The majority of this country has supported and continues to support women making their own decisions about pregnancy -- even when those decisions are complicated or difficult. In fact, Americans believe that even if they might make a different decision about abortion, they recognize that every woman's case is different, and they aren't prepared to make such an important personal decision for another person. You only have to cast your mind back to the Terry Schiavo case, with some members of the United States Senate interfering in a family's very personal, private decision to see what it may look like as politicians increasingly intervene in matters that need to be made by women and their families and doctors.

Just the Facts Ma'am

8mm


824 posted on 06/25/2007 5:52:58 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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You only have to cast your mind back to the Terry Schiavo case, with some members of the United States Senate interfering in a family's very personal, private decision

Let's see, first off, learn to spell Terri's name. Secondly, who does she consider to be Terri's family, her estranged "husband" who was living with and having children with another women or Terri's biological family who wanted to keep her from being murdered?

to see what it may look like as politicians increasingly intervene in matters that need to be made by women and their families and doctors.

I guess she is concerned that American abortuaries might not be able to continue the slaughter of 3500 babies PER DAY.

825 posted on 06/25/2007 6:08:07 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser
I think you deserve an afternoon off now and then. Your posts are enlightening and useful, and are highly esteemed; but the material does keep for a bit. So grab your chances to take a break, and enjoy!
826 posted on 06/25/2007 1:55:58 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> with some members of the United States Senate interfering in a family's very personal, private decision to see what it may look like as politicians increasingly intervene in matters that need to be made by women and their families and doctors.

And darn those politicians for intervening on behalf of the slave Dred Scott. If the Constitution says it's all right to treat a man as chattel with no rights, then that settles it! And if the politicians of the state if Florida says it's all right to treat Terri Schiavo as chattel with no rights, that settles it there, too! They took away her liberty, her money and her life, but hey, she was just a woman. /sarc

827 posted on 06/25/2007 2:05:55 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Yeeks, I wouldn’t want to meet this Cecile Richards in a dark alley. She scares the heck out of me. Frankly, I’d recommend sterilizing her, but that should be a private decision between her elected representatives and public health bureaucrats.


828 posted on 06/25/2007 2:11:05 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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>> The majority of this country has supported and continues to support women making their own decisions about pregnancy

How glibly liberals describe evil in terms of "choice." To them, it's mere choice to murder babies. To them, it's a personal privacy issue for Michael Schiavo to murder his helpless wife. Does the majority of this country support men making their own decisions about wife-beating and rape? It's their own decision, isn't it? How about pollution? Child abuse? Giving money to Republicans? Aren't we free to make our own decisions about those? Aren't these just as much private, personal choices?

"Privacy" and "choice" are simply devices liberals invented to commit evil without being arrested.

829 posted on 06/26/2007 3:24:35 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: T'wit

Thanks for the note of encouragement. As I wend my way back to home turf, from sunny Massatwoshitz, I am able to sneak in a post or two, one about the home state of Haleigh Poutre.

Then a period of awkward silence is sure to descend for just awhile. And in a few days, June will be past and July will arrive fresh.


830 posted on 06/26/2007 4:49:32 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Haleigh Poutre breaking news from, where else, The Republican...

Thanks for the tip, BB. Now I wonder if DSS staff will be charged for attempted murder. Hmmm, maybe not.

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SPRINGFIELD - A Hampden Superior Court judge has taken under advisement a defense motion to dismiss child abuse charges against Jason D. Strickland.

Arguments on the motion were heard today by Judge Daniel A. Ford. Defense lawyer Greg T. Schubert said that Strickland was the only person seeking to preserve the life of his stepdaughter Haleigh Poutre after she was hospitalized.

That was the time, Schubert said, that the state was seeking to take the child off life support, saying she was in a persistent vegetative state.

Haleigh Poutre, Strickland's stepdaughter, was left hospitalized with a brain injury on Sept. 11, 2005. Haleigh, now 13 years old, is in a Boston rehabilitation hospital. Her case gained national media attention and has triggered a continuing debate in Massachusetts about how the state handles child welfare responsibilities.

Strickland and his wife, Haleigh's adopted mother Holli A. Strickland, both of Westfield, were arrested and charged with assault after the girl was hospitalized.

Holli Strickland died later that month in what West Springfield police said appeared to be a murder-suicide at the hands of her grandmother.

Jason Strickland is charged with assault and battery on a child with substantial bodily injury, assault and battery on a child with bodily injury, three counts of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon and one count of assault and battery.

Schubert argued that the state Supreme Judicial Court ruled last year that Jason Strickland has no standing as a "de facto parent" or otherwise. He said that because of that ruling, Jason Strickland is not liable for preventing another person from injuring the child.

Assistant District Attorney Laurel H. Brandt told Ford that Schubert "has asserted argument as if it were fact."

She said that the state Supreme Judicial Court, in ruling that Jason Strickland was not a "de facto parent" was ruling against his contention that he had a loving, nurturing relationship with Haleigh Poutre.

Ford asked Brandt if the state will seek to prove Jason Strickland should have prevented another person from harming Haleigh Poutre.

"That is part of the commonwealth's argument," Brandt said.

She said the burden of proof in the state Supreme Judicial Court proceedings is different than in the Superior Court case.

She said in this case she has the burden of proof to prove Haleigh Poutre was in "care and custody" of Jason Strickland.

Schubert argued that Jason Strickland should not have been expected to know if another person was abusing Haleigh Poutre because state Department of Social Services professionals involved with the family did not find abuse prior to the hospitalization.

Brandt said that it is wrong to say that another person living in the house with Haleigh Poutre should have the same response as professionals who have been "duped by this husband and wife" into believing what they were told, that the child was self-abusive.


Judge mulls dismissing charges in Haleigh Poutre case

8mm


831 posted on 06/26/2007 4:55:07 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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For a great lesson on how the left twists words and thought to prove hate is love, war is peace, etc., take a look at this latest twist.

Nothing cuddles word twisting better than a strand of truth here and there. This comes from the Online Journal which boasts its purity in reporting standards. The obilgatory squeal about Terri reveals how deeply her Legacy still stings them.

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Why did the Democratic Congress betray the voting public?

Betrayal is often a consequence of wishful thinking. It's the world's way of delivering the life lesson that it's time to shed the vanity of one's innocence and grow-the-hell-up. Apropos, here's lesson number one for political innocents: Power serves the perpetuation of power. In an era of runaway corporate capitalism, the political elite exist to serve the corporate elite. It's that simple.

Why do the elites lie so brazenly? Ironically, because they believe they're entitled to by virtue of their superior sense of morality. How did they come to this arrogant conclusion? Because they think they're better than us. If they believe in anything at all, it is this: They view us as a reeking collection of wretched, baseborn rabble, who are, on an individual level, a few billion neurons short of being governable by honest means.

Yes, you read that correctly: They believe they're better than you. When they lie and flout the rules and assert that the rule of law doesn't apply to them or refuse to impeach fellow members of their political and social class who break the law, it is because they have convinced themselves it is best for society as a whole.

How did they come by such self-serving convictions? The massive extent of their privilege has convinced them that they're the quintessence of human virtue, that they're the most gifted of all golden children ever kissed by the radiant light of the sun. In other words, they're the worst sort of emotionally arrested brats -- spoiled children inhabiting adult bodies who mistake their feelings of infantile omnipotence for the benediction of superior ability. "I'm so special that what's good for me is good for the world," amounts to the sum total of their childish creed. In the case of narcissists such as these, over time, self-interest and systems of belief grow intertwined. Hence, within their warped, self-justifying belief systems, their actions, however mercenary, become acts of altruism.

The elites don't exactly believe their own lies; rather, they proceed from neocon guru Leo Strauss' dictum (the modus operandi of the ruling classes) that it is necessary to promulgate "noble lies" to society's lower orders. This sort of virtuous mendacity must be practiced, because those varieties of upright apes (you and I) must be spared the complexities of the truth; otherwise, it will cause us to grow dangerously agitated -- will cause us to rattle the bars of our cages and fling poop at our betters. They believe it's better to ply us with lies because it's less trouble then having to hose us down in our filthy cages. In this way, they believe, all naked apes will have a more agreeable existence within the hierarchy-bound monkey house of capitalism.



~Snip~

Accordingly, we must make the elites of the Democratic Party accountable for their betrayal or we ourselves will become complicit. The faith of Democratic partisans in their degraded party is analogous to Bush and his loyalists still believing they can achieve victory in Iraq and the delusion-based wing of the Republican Party that, a few years ago, clung to the belief, regardless of facts, that Terri Schiavo’s brain was not irreparably damaged and she would someday rise from her hospital bed and bless the heavens for them and their unwavering devotion to her cause.

Faith-based Democrats are equally as delusional. Only their fantasies don't flow from the belief in a mythical father figure, existing somewhere in the boundless sky, who scripture proclaims has a deep concern for the fate of all things, from fallen sparrows to medically manipulated stem cells; rather, their beliefs are based on the bughouse crazy notion that the elites of the Democratic Party could give a fallen sparrow's ass about the circumstances of their lives.

Within the architecture of denial and duplicity: The Democratic Party and the infantile omnipotence of the ruling class

8mm

832 posted on 06/26/2007 5:11:14 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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I hope to be back later for more posts, but may not.


833 posted on 06/26/2007 5:11:58 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

This fellow thinks he sees delusions in others. He should be looking in a mirror.


834 posted on 06/26/2007 8:03:14 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser

DSS screwed up this case when they tried to kill the victim. The State’s case against Strickland is falling apart. We all know the only reason he fought to prevent the starvation and dehydration of Haleigh was to save himself being charged with her murder. But it will still count in his favor in court. I have a real problem with the State murdering people, and then charging those who previously abused them with the crime of murder. I think most juries would too. I think a jury would have a hard time convicting him of child abuse, even if the prosectution could prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, after he successfully led the prevention of her murder by the very officials accusing him of abuse. I think he’s pond scum. I think he’s guilty as hell. I think he’s going to walk.


835 posted on 06/26/2007 9:49:20 AM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
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To: 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; T'wit
WOO HOO!!!


(Jesse Ramirez)
Family of man on life support
agrees to continue care

836 posted on 06/26/2007 12:48:04 PM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
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837 posted on 06/26/2007 1:01:08 PM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
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>> We all know the only reason he fought to prevent the starvation and dehydration of Haleigh was to save himself being charged with her murder.

Yup.

>> I have a real problem with the State murdering people, and then charging those who previously abused them with the crime of murder.

Like Waco. The feds initiated the violence, killed almost everybody, and then afterward, they prosecuted anybody they missed when they burned the compound to the ground.

>> I think he’s pond scum. I think he’s guilty as hell. I think he’s going to walk.

Holli probably was the one who burned Haleigh with cigarettes and kept pushing her down the stairs. Jason may have been the one who got her with a baseball bat. If he walks, it's sick.

838 posted on 06/26/2007 1:25:11 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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Grand news!


839 posted on 06/26/2007 1:26:05 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: T'wit

I don’t trust DSS as far as I can throw them, which gives me a slight doubt as to the truthfulness of the “evidence” against Strickland. I suspect he abused Haleigh, but if I was on the jury, I couldn’t convict him on what I know to this point.


840 posted on 06/26/2007 1:29:23 PM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
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