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Painting Christians as terrorists?
Jerusalem Post ^ | May 1, 2007 | Elwood McQuaid

Posted on 05/01/2007 3:01:45 PM PDT by Alouette

The headline read, "New Jersey School Stages Practice Hostage Drill - Portrays Killers as Fundamentalist Christians." This was not something out of a Michael Moore movie. It was, according to news reports, a real-time drill staged to prepare local agencies to handle another Columbine. That, you will remember, is when two students shot up their local high school outside Denver, Colorado, in 1999, killing 13 people and wounding 24 others. Burlington School Superintendent Chris Manno praised the New Jersey drill, saying, "You perform as you practice. We need to practice under conditions as real as possible in order to evaluate our procedures and plans so that they're as effective as possible."

However, this drill should have sent a chilling message to conservative Christians because the hostage-taking attackers were depicted as "members of a right-wing fundamentalist group called the 'New Crusaders.'" According to an article by David Levinsky in the March 23 Burlington (NJ) County Times, the "Christian gunmen" were "seeking justice because the daughter of one had been expelled for praying before class."

In response to the "disaster," faculty, local emergency personnel, and county officers were dispatched to rescue the "hostages" and evacuate the building.

While county officials praised the exercise as the first live test of their ability to respond to extremist attacks, they ignored the fact that praying before class is not only lawful but the right of every student regardless of religion. Bob Pawson, national coordinator of the Scriptures in Schools Project, contested the claim that the drill anticipated a possible reality when in essence it was nothing of the sort.

Pawson, a New Jersey public school teacher, called the drill an excuse to denigrate Christians with "a grotesque scenario saturated with Christian-bashing prejudice and bigotry; a scenario which could never possibly occur."

THE INCIDENT, thoroughly unsophisticated in its bigotry, was hatched from a secularist culture of hatred for Christians, which allows such vicious episodes to be considered acceptable in some circles. After all, evangelicals are regularly savaged and ridiculed without consequences. So it is no surprise that the national news media takes little note of such incidents.

Silence from the left-leaning Fourth Estate has prevailed for so long that few are surprised or outraged at the lack of balanced reporting when such events transpire. It's simply the same story one more time.

Why, however, are more evangelicals not sounding an alarm over where this phenomenon is taking us? Have we become self-inflicted victims of tunnel vision? Or are most evangelicals so uninformed that they are ignorant of the serious problems looming over the horizon? Perhaps the average Christian in Western society is so comfortable that indifference has become a state of life and people say to themselves, "Well, as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."

A PROBLEM we must address is what one might call a lack of historical and cultural context. For example, the apostle Paul in his epistles repeatedly referred to the suffering of fellow believers: "For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake" (Phil. 1:29).

The apostle was speaking to people who lived every day with severe persecution and suffering for their faith in Christ. Theirs was a world dominated by pagan forces dedicated to wiping them out by every means possible.

In the West, our situation is different. So far, we are safe, comfortable, and live in relatively stable conditions. Thus we tend to relate passages concerning biblical suffering to our existing circumstances, which are trivial by comparison. The persecution experienced by the early church cannot be reduced to merely sniping criticism or social shunning at the hands of those who found faith in Christ distasteful.

Also, we seem inclined to internalize the concept of suffering and relate it to a transient, personal state of mind that, while unpleasant, cannot compare with the biblical situation. Perhaps this is why many Western Christians have developed the tunnel vision that extremely limits their perception of what it means to taste the type of suffering that occurs outside the reality of their own experiences.

But there is a world of suffering out there where believers know precisely what Paul was talking about. They experience it every day. There is Darfur, Southern Sudan, Indonesia, Nigeria, Eritrea, India, Ethiopia, Pakistan, Iraq, China, Vietnam, Somalia - and a list too long to register - where death, starvation, unspeakable atrocities, and rotting jail cells are the cost of being a Christian.

Yet there is a virtual pale of silence on the subject among evangelicals. Why? Have we chosen to live in a state of denial? And how did it become perfectly acceptable to create a fantasy of fundamental, right-wing, wild-eyed Christian hostage-takers and call it an "as real as possible" example of a situation that would require SWAT teams to subdue? Say the same about any other group or minority on the planet and you'd spend the rest of your life in court or hiding out to escape lifetime social detention.

SO WHAT'S the message? First, we must recognize that we do not live in a tolerant, loving, caring, want-to-do-the-right-thing world. In fact, much of humanity doesn't have a clue about such niceties. And hostility toward serious believers is growing more intense each day.

Second, we cannot create Christian cocoons, or safe zones, that minister only to those we can touch or feel. We must have a coherent understanding not only of the needs of those in our circles - be it church, family, or friends - but also of conditions outside our immediate spheres. To have a "worldview," one must be exposed to the facts of life in the wider world fellow believers occupy.

As a former pastor, I would suggest that it is essential to weave into pulpit and teaching presentations information (even if it is unpleasant) that affects us and our extended Christian family - meaning believers around the world.

Third, as people charged to obtain and exercise discernment, we must understand the facts, trends and prophetic implications that are developing. We can only do so if guided by a biblical intimacy that means being grounded in the Word.

I am reminded of the words attributed to the Rev. Martin Niem ller, a German pastor during World War II, who fell out of favor with Hitler, was arrested for treason, and spent time in concentration camps. He wrote the following: First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

"Then they came for me." May that never be said of us because of our failure to stand up, speak out, and extend a hand of help to the oppressed.

The writer, a retired pastor, is a leader of the Christian Zionist movement in the United States.


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To: Alouette
IIRC, Timothy McVeigh was an agnostic.

He was an atheist who refused to speak to a priest moments before his execution.

That's gonna burst a lot of peoples' bubbles....

21 posted on 05/01/2007 4:05:05 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (A member of the Frederalist Party)
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To: Alouette

I can buy that!


22 posted on 05/01/2007 4:13:59 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Alouette

When this story first broke (quite some time ago)....I said it then and I’ll say it now: I’m tired of the world seeing Christians, especially evangelicals, as a bunch of hand-clasping pantywaists. We’ve HAD it.

I’m fighting back in my way, in my world. Many of you self-professed Christians wouldn’t approve of how I take such slimebags on, but sorry.....don’t care. We’re in a cultural war, and I don’t take prisoners.

Time for the church to, once again, grow a set and stand UP.


23 posted on 05/01/2007 4:15:35 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: lonevoice

“My automatic reaction every time I read something like this is to say “Unbelievable!” The fact is that it becomes more commonplace every day.”

It just doesn’t surprise me these days. My only surprise is that the Conservative Right hasn’t really fought back to date. Just look how many of them voted against Republicans in the 2006 elections. I am sick of the Conservatives being weak. When will we all stand up together and take our country back?


24 posted on 05/01/2007 4:22:50 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: GeneralStorm

I’ve been watching this for a very long time.....I cut and pasted part of the study here....this goes back a long time ago. It’s not that God has handed over the USA to Satan, God allowed Satan to roam the world since the beginning of time. However, he stepped in, in more than one occasion to keep the playing field fair and not bring in the Anti-Christ before the right time. One example...reference “The Plot to Seize the White House”...and Major General Smedley Butler’s roll as an example of Divine Intervention. It’s not that God has handed the USA to Satan, it’s that the Powers that be, and Americans have turned their back on God....not allowing prayer in school, evolution etc....many reasons....we are the cause, not God.

Here is the beginning........believe it or not, this is historically documented.....

1760 - Satanic plot was launched when it first came into existence under the name “Illuminati.” This Illuminati was organized by one Adam Weishaupt, born a Jew, who was converted to Catholicism and became a Catholic priest, and then, at the behest of the then newly organized House of Rothschild, defected and organized the Illuminati. Naturally, the Rothschilds financed that operation and every war since then, beginning with the French Revolution, has been promoted by the Illuminati operating under various names and guises.

1770 - Professional money lenders, and recently organized House of Rothschild, retained Weishaupt, to revise and modernize the age-old Protocols of Zionism, which from the outset, was designed to give the Synagogue of Satan, so named by Jesus Christ, ultimate world domination so they could impose the Luciferian ideology upon what would remain of the human race after the final social cataclysm by use of satanic despotism.

1 May 1776 - Illuminati, allegedly - (Adam Weishaupt-Founder, Jesuit Priest and Freemason) Illuminati name translated to “bearers of the light” - Lumen
derived from Lucifer, ancient “angel of light”. Adam Weishaupt was a Jesuit-trained professor of canon law, teaching in Engelstock University, when he defected from Christianity to embrace the luciferian conspiracy.

Weishaupt completed his task May 1, 1776. Now you know why May 1 is the great day with all communist nations to this very day (May 1 is also “Law Day” as declared by the American Bar Association). That was the day, May 1, 1776, that Weishaupt completed his plan and officially organized the Illuminati to put the plan into execution. That plan required the destruction of all existing governments and religions. That objective was to be reached by dividing the masses of people, whom he Weishaupt, termed: “goyism” or human cattle into opposing camps in ever increasing numbers on political, social, economic, and other issues - the very conditions we have in our country today.

The opposing sides were then to be armed and incidents provided which would cause them to fight and weaken themselves and gradually destroy national governments and religious institutions. This being a prime feature of the Illuminati plans. When and if their blueprint for world control, the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion, is discovered and exposed, they would wipe all the Jews off the face of the earth in order to divert suspicions from themselves.

NOTE: If you think this is far fetched, bear in mind that they permitted Hitler, a liberal socialist himself, who was financed by corrupt Kennedy, the Warburgs, and the Rothschilds, to incinerate 600,000 Jews.

Now just why did the conspirators choose the word: “Illuminati” for their satanic organization? Weishaupt himself said that the word is derived from Lucifer and means: “holder of the light.” Using the lie that his objective was to bring about a one-world government to enable those with mental ability to govern the world and prevent all wars in the future.

In short, using the words: “peace on earth” as his bait, exactly as that same bait as: “peace” was used by the 1945 conspirators to force the United Nations on us, Weishaupt was financed, as said before, by the Rothschilds, recruited some 2,000 paid followers. These included the most intelligent men in the field of arts and letters, education, the sciences, finance, and industry.

1812 - Mayer Amschel dies, will sets up the “house of Rothchild” and family laws for their business to operate by.

1815 - Rothchilds trick British stock markets as the “battle of Waterloo” concludes and vastly multiply their fortunes. One branch of the Rothschild family had financed Napoleon; another branch of the Rothschilds financed Britain, Germany, and the other nations in the Napoleonic wars.

Immediately after the Napoleonic wars, the Illuminati assumed that all the nations were so destitute and so weary of wars that they’d be glad for any solution, so the Rothschild stooges set up what they called the Congress of Vienna and at that meeting they tried to create the first League of Nations, their first attempted one-world government, on the theory that all the crowned heads of European governments were so deeply in debt to them that they would willingly or unwillingly serve as their stooges.

But the Czar of Russia caught the stench of the plot and completely torpedoed it. The enraged Nathan Rothschild, then the head of the dynasty, vowed that some day he or his descendants would destroy the Czar and his entire family, and his descendants did accomplish that very threat in 1917.
That disastrous rebuff at the Congress of Vienna created by the Czar of Russia, Alexander I, did not by any means destroy the Illuminati conspiracy. It merely forced them to adopt a new strategy realizing that the one-world idea was, for the moment, killed. The Rothschild’s decided that to keep the plot alive they would have to do it by heightening their control of the money system of the European nations.
Earlier; by a ruse the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo had been falsified, Rothschild had spread a story that Napoleon had one bad battle which precipitated a terrific panic on the stock market in England. All stocks had plummeted down to practically zero and Nathan Rothschild bought all the stocks for virtually a penny on its dollar values.

That gave him complete control of the economy of Britain and virtually of all Europe. So immediately after that Congress in Vienna had boomeranged; Rothschild had forced Britain to set up a new “Bank of England” which he had absolute control exactly, as later through Jacob Schiff; he engineered our own “Federal Reserve Act” which gave the House of Rothschild a secret control of the economy in the United States.

1826 - One Captain William Morgan decided it was his duty to inform all Masons and the general public what the full proof was regarding the Illuminati, their secret plans, intended objectives, and to reveal the identities of the masterminds of the conspiracy. The Illuminati promptly tried Morgan in absentia and convicted him of treason.
They ordered one Richard Howard, an English Illuminist, to carry out their sentence of execution as a traitor. Morgan was warned and he tried to escape to Canada, but Howard caught up with him near the border; near the Niagara Gorge to be exact, where he murdered him. This was verified in a sworn statement made in New York by one Avery Allen to the effect that he heard Howard render his report of the execution to a meeting of “Knights Templers” in St. John’s Hall in New York. He also told how arrangements had been made to ship Howard back to England.

That Allen affidavit is on record in New York City Archives. Very few Masons and very few of the general public know that general disapproval over that incident of murder caused approximately half of all the Masons in the northern jurisdiction of the United States to secede. Copies of the minutes of the meeting held to discuss that matter are still in existence in safe hands and that all that secrecy emphasizes the power of the masterminds of the Illuminati to prevent such terrible events of history from being taught in our schools.

NOTE: Captain Morgan (like the Pirate/Rum/Draft Horses). I read that Morgan was also a term used for a Royal Blood line (Blended line), that was unjustly kept from their inheritance. Re: Richard Howard and Niagara Gorge...sort of reminds me of the recent refs. in the Media to Howard and the Three Stooges...’slowly I turn’. It is a well known fact that there is a major “Family Feud”. Certain actions of the OTO have been frowned upon....having received a “CHILLY/CHILE” reception.

1830 - Weishaupt died, but prior to his death, he prepared a revised version of the age-old conspiracy, the Illuminati, which under various aliases was to organize, finance, direct, and control all international organizations and groups by working their agents into executive positions at the top.

In addition, while Karl Marx was writing the “Communist Manifesto” under the director of one group of Illuminists, Professor Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University was writing the antithesis under the direction of another group.
The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger members of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other. And particularly, to destroy all political and religious institutions.

The work Ritter started was continued after his death and completed by the German so-called philosopher Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzache who founded Nietzscheanism. This Nietzecheanism was later developed into Fascism and then into Nazism and was used to foment World War I and II.
NOTE: In the United States we had Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Jack Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Dean Rusk, Robert McNamara, William Fulbright, George Bush etc., as prime examples. In addition, while Karl Marx was writing the “Communist Manifesto” under the director of one group of Illuminists, Professor Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University was writing the antithesis under the direction of another group.

The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger members of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other. And particularly, to destroy all political and religious institutions.

In 1834; the Italian revolutionary leader, Guiseppe Mazzini, was selected by the Illuminati to direct their revolutionary program throughout the world. He served in that capacity until he died in 1872, but some years before he died; Mazzini had enticed an American General named Albert Pike into the Illuminati. Pike was fascinated by the idea of a one-world government and ultimately he became the head of this luciferian conspiracy.

“In 1834; the Italian revolutionary leader, Guiseppe Mazzini, was selected by the Illuminati to direct their revolutionary program throughout the world. He served in that capacity until he died in 1872, but some years before he died; Mazzini had enticed an American General named Albert Pike into the Illuminati. Pike was fascinated by the idea of a one-world government and ultimately he became the head of this luciferian conspiracy. Between 1859 and 1871 he, Pike, worked out a military-blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world which he considered would forward the conspiracy to its final stage in the 20th century. Again I remind you that these conspirators were never concerned with immediate success. They also operated on a long-range view. Pike did most of his work in his home in Little Rock, Arkansas. But a few years later; when the Illuminati’s Lodges of the Grand Orient became suspect and repudiated because of Mazzini’s revolutionary activities in Europe, Pike organized what he called the New and Reformed Palladian Right. He set up three Supreme Councils; one in Charleston, South Carolina, one in Rome, Italy, and a third in Berlin, Germany. He had Mazzini establish 23 subordinate councils in strategic locations throughout the world. These have been the secret headquarters of the world revolutionary movement ever since.

“Long before Marconi invented the radio; the scientists in the Illuminati had found the means for Pike and the heads of his councils to communicate secretly. It was the discovery of that secret that enabled intelligence-officers to understand how apparently unrelated incidents; such as the assassination of an Austrian Prince in Serbia; took place simultaneously throughout the world, which developed into a war or a revolution. Pike’s plan was as simple as it has proved effective. It called for communism, nazism, political zionism, and other international movements to be organized and used to foment three global world wars and at least two major revolutions.

“The first world war was to be fought so as to enable the Illuminati to destroy Czarism in Russia, as vowed by Rothschild after the Czar had torpedoed his scheme at the Congress in Vienna, and to transform Russia into a stronghold of atheistic-communism. The differences stirred up by agents of the Illuminati between the British and German Empires were to be used to foment this war. After the war would be ended; communism was to be built up and used to destroy other governments and weaken religions.

“World War II, when and if necessary, was to be fomented by using the controversies between Fascists and political zionists, and here let it be noted that Hitler was financed by Krupp, the Warburgs, the Rothschilds, and other internationalist bankers and that the slaughter of the supposed 6,000,000 Jews by Hitler didn’t bother the Jewish internationalist bankers at all. That slaughter was necessary in order to create worldwide-hatred of the German people and thus bring about war against them. In short; this second world war was to be fought to destroy nazism and increase the power of political Zionism so that the state of Israel could be established in Palestine.

“During this World War II; international communism was to be built up until it equalled in strength that of united Christendom. When it reached that point; it was to be contained and kept in check until required for the final social-cataclysm. As we know now; Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin put that exact policy into effect and Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and George Bush continued that same exact policy.

“World War III is to be fomented, using the so-called controversies; by the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name; that are now being stored up between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism (Israelis) will destroy each other while at the same time; the remaining nations, once more divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically.

“Now can any thinking person doubt that the intrigue now going on in the near Middle and Far-East is designed to accomplish that satanic objective? Pike himself foretold all this in a statement he made to Mazzini on August 15, 1871. Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination will provoke the greatest social-cataclysm the world has ever known. Quoting his own words taken from the letter he wrote to Mazzini and which letter is now catalogued in the British Museum in London, England; he said:

“We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social-cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute-atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world-minority of the world-revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal-manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”


25 posted on 05/01/2007 4:23:17 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: presently no screen name

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26 posted on 05/01/2007 4:24:38 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Alouette

I thought this thread was about Rosie.


27 posted on 05/01/2007 4:26:55 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (*******************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Juan Medén
We do and will continue to protest every outrageous offense of this kind, but let’s face it, when the means of communication is in the hands of sinister and the cynical, there is not a whole lot you can do.

Keep protesting and fight the good fight of faith! The chicken media is just too scared to publicize the protests, but as long as they occur, they will back down.

After the Rapture they are welcome to have this world (and the subsequent hell to pay) for themselves.

28 posted on 05/01/2007 4:30:35 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: tgambill

I read something like that in a novel by Dan Brown.


29 posted on 05/01/2007 4:32:16 PM PDT by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: tgambill

There will be a payday, someday, for the Devil’s disciples. He lies, cheats, steals and murders his own. May they all turn in rebellion on each other.


30 posted on 05/01/2007 4:35:25 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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31 posted on 05/01/2007 4:39:33 PM PDT by SJackson (Arab leaders don't give a damn whether the refugees live or die, R. Garroway, UNWRA director, 8/58)
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To: Alouette

Damn Amish. They’ll kill us all. < /s >


32 posted on 05/01/2007 4:46:28 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: pray4liberty

You have this thought out way ahead. Satan has promised them a modern utopia in ways we understand using money, freedom, pleasures, SciFi, wonders he is lying about...etc...to bring about the New World Order.

Reference our dollar bill, on the back the following is above the Pyramid...

Translating ANNUIT COEPTIS

Annuit means to nod assent, to favor, to smile upon.
Coeptis means undertakings, endeavors, beginnings.

Annuit coeptis means “favors (lit., gives the nod to) undertakings.” The subject must be supplied. Who favors? The Eye (Providence) does.

The verb annuit can be either present tense or perfect tense, therefore an accurate translation of the motto is: “Providence favors our undertakings” or “Providence has favored our undertakings.” (The word “our” is supplied.)

(It has also been translated as: “He favors our undertakings” or “He has prospered our endeavors.”)

The meaning of this motto is better understood when seen in its original classical context.

The other motto: cut and pasted from wilkpedia..

“The phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum (Latin for “New Order of the Ages”) appears on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States, first designed in 1782 and printed on the back of the American dollar bill since 1935. It is often mistranslated as “New World Order,” but the Latin for that phrase would be Novus Ordo Mundi. It is also the motto of the Yale School of Management.”

I disagree with their definition..although to be fair I included their definition. There can be no doubt that the conspiracy is true and they will go to any length to hide it in plain sight.


33 posted on 05/01/2007 4:50:02 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: weegee

It’s the Eskimos. Global warming is destroying their homeland.


34 posted on 05/01/2007 4:50:38 PM PDT by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: tgambill
Americans have turned their back on God....not allowing prayer in school, evolution etc....many reasons....we are the cause, not God.

Exactly. Someone who get's it!! Thanks! We hear that mantra - why did God allow it, etc, etc. That's from the 'no accountability' crowd. WE ARE THE CAUSE, INDEED.

Tgambill - my hat's off to you. You are one awesome freeper!
35 posted on 05/01/2007 4:53:57 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: pray4liberty

oh, by the way...they will turn in rebellion on each other. It is already happening. The NWO crowd are separating on their views....the US crowd vs the British crowd. The British crowd may win because they will engineer ANOTHER Depression as they did in 1929. I can provide the details on that little trick if you are interested. Spoken in FDR’s own words about who and why......from his own diary. The crash of 1929 was engineered several years before and the time and date set to happen.

None Dare Call it Conspiracy, Allen and “Tragedy and Hope” by Quigley

“Montagu Norman, Governor of the Bank of England, came to Washington on February 6, 1929, to confer with Andrew Mellon, Secretary of the Treasury. On November 11, 1927, the Wall Street Journal described Mr. Norman as “the currency dictator of Europe.” Professor Carroll Quigley notes that Norman, a close confidant of J. P. Morgan, admitted: “I hold the hegemony of the world.” Immediately after this mysterious visit, the Federal Reserve Board reversed its easy-money policy and began raising the discount rate. The balloon which had been inflated constantly for nearly seven years was about to be exploded.
On October 24, the feathers hit the fan. Writing in The United States’ Unresolved Monetary and Political Problems, William Bryan describes what happened:

“When everything was ready, the New York financiers started calling 24 hour broker call loans. This meant that the stockbrokers and the customers had to dump their stock on the market in order to pay the loans. This naturally collapsed the stock market and brought a banking collapse all over the country because the banks not owned by the oligarchy were heavily involved in broker call claims at this time, and bank runs soon exhausted their coin and currency and they had to close. The Federal Reserve System would not come to their aid, although they were instructed under the law to maintain an elastic currency.”


36 posted on 05/01/2007 4:56:07 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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Thanks, but, we have a message to deliver and need to do it fast. The actual threats and actions against will start whenever one starts making a mark. It can be expected and can assume the threats will be carried out. However, as you probably remember Columbine, the young girl was asked about her belief in Jesus, she answered in the affirmative and she was shot. This is the true test and one that will eventually happen down the road.

As analogy, one can say, there is no such thing as cold. Cold is the absense of heat. In the same way, there is no such thing as evil. Evil is only present with the Absence of Almighty God!!!


37 posted on 05/01/2007 5:04:28 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
I think you and my husband are reading the same books :) My selections are probably are more in the line of Biblical prophecy, though, which foretell that these things will happen as corrupt man, egged on by the Adversary, attempt to grab power from the Almighty again and again.

The good news is, they are playing a poker game with themselves....God is sovereign and will allow this delusion until He decides the game is up.

I hope not to be here when that happens.

38 posted on 05/01/2007 5:05:17 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: tgambill
Evil is only present with the Absence of Almighty God!!!

Yes, darkness disappears when you 'turn on the Light'!
39 posted on 05/01/2007 5:18:56 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: pray4liberty

You hit the nail square on the head and thanks for verifying what I was thinking. One never knows, until they meet up with a like thinker.

I have studied this for a very long time. I’ve lived it in Saudi, Kosovo and the Congo, the past 10 years. I have only come to reason this the past year and come to accept the entire history and agenda of the New World Order. It has been in our face since 1760....This pill is hard to swallow. Satan has very cleverly caused man to separate politics and religion. In reality, they are the same and using each other very well.

When I talk about this to people that don’t know, it causes distress, anger, denial etc...so, one day, I realized that this info was really for me, but the message was, that this agenda they have, is not really a bad thing. It is a good thing because....someone just said...what I realized about 2 months ago.....finally.

“they are playing a poker game with themselves....God is sovereign and will allow this delusion until He decides the game is up.”

Yes, I am a little slow, but I came up with the same conclusion. Their plan to kill 80% of the population, rebuild a modern Utopia, is never to happen. Their utopia will be their living Hell as they are being used to fulfill the Prophesy of the Revelation and there is nothing they can do about it, unless they were to accept Jesus. Satan has deceived them, and will just as you say.....turn his back on them “when the game is up”.....


40 posted on 05/01/2007 5:19:27 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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