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To: Carry_Okie
To claim that the President didn't know about it is to believe that he has no clue as to what's going on in the government. So until you can produce a document refuting that this originated and was pushed by the Department of Justice, it stands.

1. I never claimed the President "didn't know about it", but your assertion that unless I can prove otherwise, the President orchestrates every action the Justice Dept. takes is ludicrous.

2. You posted the article, not me, and you've made it clear with the slam about Bush & the constitution you were not able to back up that you're more interested in throwing mud at the President than presenting evidence to support your claims.

EdReform - not you - has now posted a link to the text of the bill. Though someone with a good working knowledge of the US Code needs to analyze it, as it is primarily an amendment(s) to Title 18, and also section 101 of the immigration and naturalization act, my initial reaction is that it's too broad and gives too much discretion to one individual.

It does provide for appeals, but it is not clear to me after a quick scan that the court, employer or the defendent would be at any time be able to view the evidence being used against them by the AG as described on page 8 & 9 and other similar paragraphs.

It does not describe a specific loophole, as Lautenburg claims in his press release.

I don't know why the mandatory background checks and waiting periods currently in place are not sufficient for keeping terrorists from legally buying guns, and nothing in this bill suggests the current system's failings, so I don't see the need for this bill.

410 posted on 05/03/2007 9:48:47 AM PDT by 4woodenboats (Bush may own the war on terror, but the Dems want to own another 'Nam style loss)
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To: 4woodenboats
1. I never claimed the President "didn't know about it", but your assertion that unless I can prove otherwise, the President orchestrates every action the Justice Dept. takes is ludicrous.

Strawman by extension. First, this is too big and has gone on too long to go un-noticed by the White House. Second, you said that there was NOTHING other than this letter and the reference to Lautenberg's site as if you were unable to look yourself. Now that you've had that flushed you back off and throw up a strawman.

2. You posted the article, not me, and you've made it clear with the slam about Bush & the constitution you were not able to back up that you're more interested in throwing mud at the President than presenting evidence to support your claims.

If you noticed some of the long gaps in my posting times, you'd realize that some of us have other work to do than just run a thread and answer the incoherent blathering of the likes of you. As to my intent to throw mud, it was you who brought up that, "just a piece of paper," line, not me. I just corroborated it. I don't give a rats patootie what you think of CapitolHillBlue, they've got a long established reputation as a reliable source of inside information here at FR, that is, if you'd been here long enough to know. When Clinton was in power they dug dirt on Clinton. Now that Bush is in power he's the target. It's what they do.

Methinks you've sniffed too much bottom paint.

412 posted on 05/03/2007 10:16:05 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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