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Posted on 05/01/2007 1:41:21 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
But Rudy did NOT oppose infanticie. Rudy is still a proponent of extracting kids and sucking out their brains. Rudy just supported the right of congress to pass the law.
The only appropriate word for this, really, is "lie." "We people" most assuredly have and do lay out what must be done, in this election; many, in fact, have done so right here, in this very thread, in postings addressed to you. You simply don't happen to LIKE said declarations, for whatever reason(s).
If you have not, in fact, read the article at the top of this page, I suggest that you take the time to do so. If you have, then RE-read it, please.
It is the Rudy online apologia choir which has failed to make its case, not conservatives. The non-stop drumbeat hereabouts -- until Jim finally did some long overdue housecleaning -- has been patent codswallop to the effect that "A vote for anyone who isn't Rudy is a vote for Hillary!," and "No other Republican has a chance, doomed, we's all DOOMED, I tells ya!"
Both of these idiotic Rudyphile talking points have long since been meticulously and thoroughly demolished on these very boards, over the past weeks, by any number of sensible, intelligent fellow FReepers taking pains to speak very slowly, and using very small words. There's no point whatsoever in sighing wearily and patiently reconstructing said arguments for yet the 5,000,001st time, at this juncture; nor even the need to do so, since all of said threads still exist, and can be (re-)read at anyone's convenience. Click on "Giuliani," under Popular Keywords, and start anywhere.
The "alternative"...? N-O R-U-D-Y... period. Any other Republican nominee -- even (*shudder*) McCain is a comparatively viable alternative. Lather, rinse, repeat.
However, an even bigger concern is the loss of the motivated grass roots volunteers. Half of our volunteers in 2004 were people I would define as social conservatives. If it comes down to it, they may hold their nose and vote for a pro-abortion Republican, but they won't work for him, and absent their organizing strength on the ground, I don't know if we can win.
Fine, but don’t claim to be part of the Republican base if you will not vote for the Republican nominee.
You allowed slick willie to alter your lifestyle?
Frankly, only Reagan’s blanket amnesty for illegals altered our lifestyle. And truth be told, his precipitous escape from Lebanon after our Marines were killed probably altered our future as well.
You keep worrying about Rudy and ignoring the facts....
Good point about reasons not to support Guiliani in the primaries, but if the nominee he will get my vote and support.
Give me a REASONABLE, RATIONAL
vote hillery ....
better an enemy in front then an enemy behind ... and yes I mean it.
Can you even tell me who the Presidential candidate for the Constitution Party is with out 'Googling' or going to their website???
If you can, then my apologies and admiration for your knowledge.
But heck, a couple of months ago, I researched it because I was dissatisfied with the potential GOP nominees (well, I really like Hunter, but I don't think he is electible, yet.). And even though I looked it up, I can't remember who it was or even if they had a candidate.
If I, someone who really cares about that sort of thing, can't remember anything about it, how are the 70% of the Nation's voters who pay no attention beyond the names that CBSABCNBC mention repeatedly going to think to vote for the Constitution Party Presidential Candidate.
You're still not grasping the essential point, for whatever reason. Conservatives ARE "the Republican base" now, and have been for more than a quarter century.
We're not threatening to turn our backs on the Republican party. Instead, the libertarian/social libera; fringe of said party is threatening (increasingly noisily) to turn its back on THE BASE.
Which is certainly your/their right to do, of course.
It's just more than a little bit silly -- absurd, even -- to continually threaten to commit the political equivalent of suicide, all the while blaming that one guy way over on the other side of the room, minding his own business, for (somehow) "making" you do so.
Often I read articles written by various posted that make me think the author(s)are reading and gaining their concepts for topic at FR. No matter, if they are I cannot think of a better source for Conservative perspective.
“’ve watched the previous generation of men get away from following political events for the last 20-40 years of their lives.”
In my observation all they care about at that age is who is going to deliver to them the best prescription drug plan.
The essential point is that if you will not vote Republican then you are not a Republican.
Period. End of sentence. Full stop.
“Any conservative who does not vote for the Republican nominee is not part of the Republican base.”
Some people have principles. If that means I am not a part of the republican base—so be it. I like the party platform, Rudy wants to change it (making it more liberal). I think I’m more of the republican base than he is.
Corrected: Giuliani's radical social positions are a RADICAl affront to most elements of this arm of the GOP and the conservative movement.
Wrong again. The essential point is: if the Republican party does not nominate and run a conservative candidate, then it is no longer conservative... and, therefore, no longer either significantly or materially different from the party of Kerry, and Gore, and Hillary.
If that's enough for you...? Mazel tov, kiddo.
Exactly right. See my post above. Here's my perspective, as a BC04 County Chairman in a highly contested county in a battleground state:
We won in 2004 because of the ground organization in the swing states. While the Democrats had the unions and the rest of the "usual suspect" organizations, all fueled by Soros' money, we had the social conservative element of the base, and were able to engage many, many evangelical Christians and Catholics, largely over the abortion issue. We will not have that kind of strength on the ground without their help.
Look who this guy is friends with. I don't trust McCain to be anything but a Democrat lapdog.
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