Posted on 05/01/2007 1:41:21 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Again, I have to ask: Which third party candidate can you reasonably vote for? If you can tell me one who isn’t a complete nutcase AND has a snowball’s chance in Hades, I might be willing to go along with the idea.
I’m probably more conservative overall than 99% of the people here, but at least I’m sane enough to chose the lesser of the possible evils than pin my hopes on someone that hasn’t a prayer.
(Well, I’m just as anti-McCain as you are anti-Guiliani, so I can’t claim to be totally realistic about this, but I’m going to try to stop short of ‘cutting off my nose to spite my face’, and pray that neither one of them gets crowned the GOP candidate.)
There is no quicker, more certain way to ensure another electoral loss of 2006 proportions (or, more likely, worse) than to nominate a candidate so profoundly hostile to baseline conservative values in 2008:
Now, more than ever -- and most particularly in the South and Midwest -- we social conservatives ARE "The Base": period, end of sentence, full stop.
No political party has ever -- E-V-E-R -- gained the Presidency in this country by showing their base the back of its hand.
Period. End of sentence. Full stop.
This is exactly what I’ve tried to say - except it’s done with better pinache.
Yet some less-than-astute will still be unabled to comprehend what longterm damaging effect supporting Giuliani could have beyond this election.
What is with you people?
I fully agree that we can’t afford to let a RINO win the primary.
What I want to know is who is a sensible, rational alternative if a RINO does win the GOP nomination.
Give me a REASONABLE, RATIONAL third party alternative, and I’d probably be willing to go along with it rather than voting for a RINO.
I’m a Conservative, not a Republican, but I haven’t seen even a slightly electible third party candidate since Ron Paul left the Libertarian Party to run as a Republican again.
I find it impossible to vote for someone as liberal as Rino Rudy. I will be supporting the Constitution Party if he is nominated.
"You people."
Says it all right there, really.
AMEN!!!
Boastful calling one's self "conservative" is akin to boastful calling one's self "righteous"; how you see yourself may be a stark contrast to how others see you.
"The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican."
“He integrated these main elements of the post-war conservative intellectual movement into a successful, winning political juggernaut...”
Herein lies the problem of some conservative thought. Ronald Reagan was, indeed, a great man, but did he consciously put together this coalition or was it a case of all these people looking for someplace to run, after years of wandering in the political wilderness? Did he build them or did they build him?
I have seen on many threads, that we as conservatives are in trouble because we have no Reagan. Why we do we simply, not build (or elevate)one? It would be somewhat refreshing to have leaders who were beholden to their supporters instead of the other way around.
We do not need a leader as much as we need a hundred thousand leaders. We surely do not need an “annointed” leader, but rather one who fits our criteria. WE need to lead the people back to some sort of sanity because no one is going to do it for us.
Actually, I think Bush junior was the death knell of the coalition. Economic conservatives have fled from this administration as quickly as possible. There’s a reason why he stands at only 28% approval in the polls.
RUN FRED RUN!
What does it say, exactly??
"You people" can't or won't give specific alternatives, you just say you will take your toys and go home if you don't get your way.
That's what really annoys me. I support you in not wanting to see Guiliani getting the nomination, but you seem to hate me as much for asking for an indication of what a RATIONAL person would do if he does get the nod, as you hate him.
Oh, never mind... If 'you people' can't see that I agree with your basic principles but would rather compromise, if NECESSARY, to have the nation survive another 4 years, it just isn't worth the effort.
If you will not vote for the Republican nominee, you’re even less than a RINO.
Any conservative who does not vote for the Republican nominee is not part of the Republican base.
Blaming Rudy for their failures, instead of looking the wussie mirror?
I am a conservative before I am a Republican (a distinction I am honored to share with this site's host). Any "Republican" who willingly supports, shills or votes for a RINO and/or social liberal is not part of the conservative base -- the "you people," in other words, without whose support no Republican has attained the White House over more than a quarter-century's worth of time, nor can they.
"Republican" is just a political party. Conservative is an intellectual, ethical and moral belief system, with underpinnings and a purpose. Never, ever mistake one for the other.
That isn’t boasting. It is a statement of fact.
Now, if I called myself ‘righteous’, That would be a lie. I try to be righteous, but way too often I fail.
If I said I was smarter, better looking and more rational than 99% of the people here, THAT would be boasting.
We all have our negative opinions about the various GOPCandidates that may seem irrational to others. Mine is McCain, Yours is Giuliani. I’m fine with that. I’d like to see us do better than either one.
You use bible quotes to insult me based on a couple of posts on one thread without any understanding of what my overall philosophy is. I’ll not insult you by calling you a hypocrite because of your one post to me on this thread. I at least had the common decency to check your FR profile... And guess what.... I’m in 99% agreement with what you say there.
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