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Let me second your post.

MK-ULTRA was real. CIA attempts to use everything from electro-shock to LSD to create Manchurian agents absolutely *DID* take place, and went on for a very long time. Much of it was done in Canada, but there were many locations for research.

Even the LSD given to Ken Kesey was done so as part of the original CIA trials of the drug. (He may have been the only subject who said: I like it! Where can I get 1 million hits to give away at my friends band concerts?)

There are many books documenting MK-ULTRA and related experiments, and the Sentate went over all of this in the Church hearings in the early 1980s.

Sure it’s fun to make ‘tin-foil’ jokes, but in this case it did all happen. Many people did suffer horribly (including the infamous window suicide by a ‘dosed’ innocent high on acid).

(It is also true that because the kernel of truth is there this *is* a awesome stepping off point for true crackpot books, of which there are several.)

The sad thing is that there is an MO for sexually assaulting women in psychiatric hospitals and doctors that get accused get out of the whole thing by claiming that the patient was "crazy" but it is becoming an issue in Maricopa County.

Most don't know it, but Tom Cruise is right on many levels. (Not all, but many...)