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To: The_Eaglet
They are laws respecting establishments of religion,

Not in the slightest - they establish no religion in any way - let alone in the very specific way indicated by the US Constitution.

and they effectively prohibit free exercise by taking from from practitioners of one religion and giving to other religious organizations.

You are arguing that one cannot freely practice his religion unless his church receives transfer payments from the federal government.

Surely you realize how preposterous this claim is.

They usurp the religious activities of the states and the people.

Not at all. The people and the states retain the right to fund faith-based initatives to whatever extent they wish - no matter how much money the federal government contributes or does not contribute.

The constitution did not authorize the federal government to fund religious organizations.

The constitution permits the federal government to spend money however it pleases to promote the general welfare, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of the states or the people.

And funding faith-based initiatives does interfere with any state or person's free decision to fund or not fund faith-based initiatives out of their own pockets.

166 posted on 05/01/2007 6:21:55 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
The constitution permits the federal government to spend money however it pleases to promote the general welfare, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of the states or the people.

The general welfare eh? What the heck is that? I want to build a picturesque bridge to nowhere. Does that qualify?

167 posted on 05/01/2007 6:26:56 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: wideawake; cva66snipe
You are arguing that one cannot freely practice his religion unless his church receives transfer payments from the federal government.

No, I am not. The Constitution does not authorize transfer payments from the federal government.

Go back and read the First Amendment. It does not say "Congress shall make no law establishing a religion." It says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

The constitution permits the federal government to spend money however it pleases to promote the general welfare, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of the states or the people.

Redistribution of income to religious organizations does not promote the general welfare. It promotes the welfare of the religious organizations at the expense of taxpayers in a manner prohibited by the First Amendment. The Constitution did not grant Congress to legislate for religious organizations; therefore, this power is reserved to the states and the people. Exercise of such power by Congress is a usurpation of these reserved powers.

168 posted on 05/01/2007 6:29:32 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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