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U.K.:'Too Fat' Patients Denied NHS Operations (smokers too; 6M people affected)
Sky News (U.K.) ^ | April 28, 2007 | Thomas Moore

Posted on 04/28/2007 3:48:41 PM PDT by Stoat

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To: Stoat

My husband’s doctor billed our insurance company (Secure Horizons) $55,000 for my husband’s hip replacement. He screwed up and made the leg too short and had to re-do the operation. He charged another $55,000 to put in another longer device. The leg is STILL too short and there’s a limit to how many times it can be done. However as with a lawyer who loses a case, he still gets paid, and so does a doctor who botches a job.


41 posted on 04/28/2007 6:33:03 PM PDT by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: holyscroller

That’s just awful, I’m terribly sorry for the suffering that you and your family have endured.
May God Bless you and I hope that things will be eventually set right for you.


42 posted on 04/28/2007 6:35:52 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: PackerBronco
"What kind of insurance do you think these obese people would have qualified for in the United States?"

They'd immediately go on welfare here, and go to the head of the line ahead of the taxpayers getting stuck with their bills. If you've ever been in the hospital with a welfareite, it's a real eye opener. They know exactly how to work the system and demand to be treated first, with the BEST doctors, and the best treatment regardless of what it costs. They get loud and obnoxious and get what they want just to shut them up. With our welfare system, we've created a monster.

43 posted on 04/28/2007 6:38:47 PM PDT by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: ExSES

I don’t know, I think it’s more than “economic” medical triage.

There truly are some medical procedures that are basically wasted, at best, or open the patient to even worse (and more costly) consequences, at worst if the patient’s circumstances don’t support the procedure.

Replacing the knee of a person who is not, because of obesity, going to be able to exercise the new knee enough to make it work well is sort of dumb. So is replacing the knee of a person who is going to put 400 pounds on it, thus jeopardizing the success of the surgery in the first place and significantly shortening the lifetime of the artificial knee in the second place.

And so on.


44 posted on 04/28/2007 7:48:00 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent (HONK IF YOU'VE SACKED TROY SMITH.)
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To: John Jorsett

Is this really a question of “fault”?

Seems to me it’s more the fact that some circumstances, by their very nature, make some medical procedures either prone to failure or prone to the development of secondary problems.


45 posted on 04/28/2007 7:50:31 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent (HONK IF YOU'VE SACKED TROY SMITH.)
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To: Stoat

Reminds me of that hit novelty song from the late 40’s by Arthur Godfrey “I don’t want her you can have her she’s too fat for me,she’s too fat for me,she’s too fat for me- (”Too Fat Polka”)May be the NHS play the song as a promo to get patients to slim down.


46 posted on 04/28/2007 8:03:52 PM PDT by Jan Hus
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To: Stoat

Flame away.

But when are people going to accept responsibility for their own health?


47 posted on 04/28/2007 8:06:51 PM PDT by Mr. Brightside (Rudy Giuliani is just another "Empty Dress Republican")
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To: Stoat

Outcome-based intervention is a common emergency practice; for elective surgery it seems rather pecuniary


48 posted on 04/28/2007 8:19:22 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Glenn

Will the insurance pay for your home damage if you don’t fix your roof?, no, Why? because it’ll just happen again.
The joints’ going is a direct result of excess weight.
It’s only in the US that fat people don’t think they should have to pay the price of their fat.


49 posted on 04/28/2007 10:36:00 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: Gorzaloon

You really do have a point concerning aids.
It is self imposed as is fat and smoking.
Any actuary can tell you that G-d decides mortality rates, besides, weight, smoking, private plane licenses, (and now, unprotected gay sex.)


50 posted on 04/28/2007 10:38:54 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: Mr. Brightside

hey! look at my 49 and 50 (and no flames!)


51 posted on 04/29/2007 12:57:38 AM PDT by Sarah
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To: Sarah
It’s only in the US that fat people don’t think they should have to pay the price of their fat.

Lemme guess -- You are perfect in every way.

52 posted on 04/29/2007 3:39:11 AM PDT by Glenn (Someone in '08!)
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To: Nightshift

ping a ling...


53 posted on 04/29/2007 3:48:15 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Sarah

It would make sense for insurance companies to make those with smokers and the obese pay more.

If you are obese, your benefits get cut from 80/20 to 70/30.

If you also smoke, your benefits go to 60/40.

Just my thoughts.


54 posted on 04/29/2007 5:28:41 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside (Rudy Giuliani is just another "Empty Dress Republican")
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To: Stoat
Very interesting research.

I can only imagine that the quote of $4000 to $6000 is only for the actual hip. It's the extras that mount up - anesthetist, post op. care, hospital stay; pain meds. etc.

I think there is at least one zero missing from that figure of $6000.

However, if it is correct, please share your source as I have a friend about to have both hips replaced and she would love to have the jobs done for $12,000.

FRegards,

55 posted on 04/29/2007 7:47:12 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: Glenn

Perfect? How did you know?
But, what does that have to do with people paying for their decision to become overweight and thereby making knee and hip replacement (costly) only a temporary measure if they don’t take care of the cause (usually), or at least a hindrance to their healing: LOSING WEIGHT
Is there some reason that you can see the need for self reliance in some financial/ esoteric sense, but when a person chooses to live a lifestyle that leads to illness all the rest of the country should pay for his interventions?


56 posted on 04/29/2007 7:55:30 AM PDT by Sarah
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To: Mr. Brightside

You are talking about health insurance, (which, due to the fact that it is practically mandated as a job benefit is totally skewed and unfair as it is.), and I agree.
But in the life insurance business, go and calculate your annual term rates as a smoker, (or not), and as an obese person, (and not.)
There you’ll see the expected mortality rates fairly represented in the fees.
Sarah


57 posted on 04/29/2007 7:58:42 AM PDT by Sarah
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To: Sarah
but when a person chooses to live a lifestyle that leads to illness all the rest of the country should pay for his interventions?

Do you feel the same way about shoulder and elbow injuries for tennis players?

58 posted on 04/29/2007 7:59:19 AM PDT by Glenn (Someone in '08!)
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To: Stoat

Maybe this will finally prod these porkers to lose the pounds. Nothing else usually does.


59 posted on 04/29/2007 8:06:37 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Glenn

Do you feel the same way about reimbursing homes for those who live in eroding coastline neighborhoods?


60 posted on 04/29/2007 8:07:26 AM PDT by Sarah
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