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To: Atlantic Bridge
Soviets (Russians) in Estonia or Latvia weren’t any better than Germans in Poland.

“Those Russian “soldiers” were usually boys between 16 - 21.”

The same someone could say about German soldiers and here any monument for those “defenders of western civilization” would have been crashed at first opportunity and If not then only to piss on It every day.

“All are obviously somehow guilty to you except the Brits, the poor Poles or the Balts. You should know that the world is a littlebit more complicated.”

No comments.

“Western Europe is (and was) that sucessfull after the war because we learned to make compromises and not to provoke without reason. If you (or the Balts) want to survive in the long term you should start to do the same. Estonia needs for its survival strong partners in the west. Germany, Finland and Sweden are nessecary as a market, the NATO is nessecary as a provider of security.”

You know what ? Not for everyone “energy” and “markets” are the most important things in the world. No so easy Andy. Some people wont let Russians move there “peacekeeping forces” to “protect the rights of minorities”. Anything like that will be the beginning of the WW3. And what you (or your fuhrer) think about that is not really so important.

30 posted on 04/29/2007 7:19:29 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
You know what ? Not for everyone “energy” and “markets” are the most important things in the world. No so easy Andy. Some people wont let Russians move there “peacekeeping forces” to “protect the rights of minorities”. Anything like that will be the beginning of the WW3. And what you (or your fuhrer) think about that is not really so important.

I am not so sure. Do you really think that anybody important in the west will start WW3 just because some idiots in Estonia? Anyhow this could turn into a really funny litmus test of a totally overblown NATO. You should know that in this case NATO does not just fail against some irrelevant camel drivers in Afghanistan like in the moment. The Russians still have a quite impressive arsenal of conventional and non-conventional weapons and they are really motivated to defend their zone of influence.

NATO is a defensive alliance with many cracks and fissures. Such alliances work the better the fewer members they have. Until 1990 we had 16 member countries and a pronounced concept of the enemy. Today we have 26 members, some good friends in Moscow (with a "near-democracy") we are building pipelines with and a few people who seem to be totally addicted to the bloody past. No - most of the west does not share your personal view of the Russians. Of course there will be some heartbreaking cant if the Russians i.e. think about "saving" their minority in Estonia through a limited invasion, but you should not even think about a real slugfest between the bigger forces in Europe. Our politicians always have been extremely pragmatic (this includes the Americans). You Poles should know that best since this kind of pragmatism was paid by 6 million of your compatriots with their lives. Therefore you are well advised to think about the situation that you could end up in fighting out your WW3 alone with the Russkies. Have fun.

If someone wants protection, support and backing he has to reassure himself among his allies. As we saw in Iraq even the most powerful nation on this planet has to do so. There were many who did not follow although the administration in Washington could not imagine that this would happen. In this case (the graves of those soldiers in Tallin) I am quite sure that nobody sane among the decisive powers in Europe will even think about helping Estonia against the Russians. If you or your gouvernment want to die in heroic action against the Red Army you are of course free to do so. Nevertheless you should not expect too much compassion for such cretinism. At least you have a good chance to win the Darwin Award then.

31 posted on 04/29/2007 9:43:52 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varietate concordia!)
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