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To: Lurker

I thought you might come back with that, but I waited. Actually it is not Luke who is commanding this, but Christ, who IS NOT setting conditional demands for forgiveness, but rather demanding that if this happens, you MUST forgive. He is NOT saying “you need not forgive if the person does not come and ask” That is the most fundamental of logical fallacies, the unsupported middle. Following your logic, Jesus himself violated his own directive by praying for the forgiveness of his unrepentant torturers on the cross. So, while Jesus says explicitly that if a person shows remorse that we must receive his repentance as genuine, you may not twist that teaching into saying that we are NOT to forgive if he does not come. Nothing in the passage intimates that, and it is in fact a violation of other clear biblical teaching. (I generally don’t like to proof text, but if you want, I’ll give em to you).


42 posted on 04/28/2007 11:48:03 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: DreamsofPolycarp
but Christ, who IS NOT setting conditional demands for forgiveness, but rather demanding that if this happens, you MUST forgive

Logical fallacy my man. Why state that if someone repents, then you must forgive when one sentence before we are told to rebuke sinners who don't repent? Your argument makes no sense. Why not just say "Forgive everyone whether they repent or not? Why talk about the whole rebuking thing at all? Why put the conditional "if they repent" in there?

Jesus himself violated his own directive by praying for the forgiveness of his unrepentant torturers on the cross

No he didn't. He asked His Father to forgive them. "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Big difference.

Nothing in the passage intimates that,

I guess you define 'rebuke' differently than most folks.

L

44 posted on 04/28/2007 11:55:10 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing 'moderate' islam to 'extremist' islam is like comparing small pox to plague.)
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