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[Alabama] Militia raid targets weapons, people
Birmingham News ^ | 4/27/07 | Carol Robinson, Kent Faulk and Val Walton

Posted on 04/27/2007 5:57:58 AM PDT by Howdy there

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To: Howdy there
"They stockpile things and live off a fear, a paranoia they're going to need weapons and explosives because some event is going to happen when they will need them."

Isn't that exactly what the Second Amendment is about?

Is 2500 rounds of ammo considered excessive? Heck, I have that much for my squirrel rifle.

21 posted on 04/27/2007 6:16:54 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Coming soon, the Global Warming Denier Inquisition.)
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To: bluecollarman
"Is that fear and paranoia or just good planning?"

Paranoia.

22 posted on 04/27/2007 6:17:14 AM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: Howdy there

2500 rounds of ammo? That’s not even a good Saturday at the range for the number of people involved.


23 posted on 04/27/2007 6:18:34 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: bluecollarman

For that matter it could be prescription pain medication.


24 posted on 04/27/2007 6:22:07 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Howdy there

Maybe we should each register a gun in the name of an illegal alien, or donate one to some La Raza sort of organization, that REALLY wants to overthrow America, and then watch the govt take THEM to the cleaners.


25 posted on 04/27/2007 6:25:18 AM PDT by Graymatter (FREDeralist)
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To: verity

“Is that fear and paranoia or just good planning?”

“Paranoia.”

Well we just disagree I guess. Sounds like planning ahead too me.


26 posted on 04/27/2007 6:27:36 AM PDT by bluecollarman (Wasted away again down in Freeperville, lookin' for that new troll I can ZOT!)
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To: blam
I had an FBI agent tell me that for any militia group that has more than two members, one of them will be FBI agent.

That figures. But how many per mosque or madrassa?

27 posted on 04/27/2007 6:27:56 AM PDT by Graymatter (FREDeralist)
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To: Howdy there

Problem: officious feds with too much time on their hands.
Solution: have the ATF switch job descriptions with ICE.


28 posted on 04/27/2007 6:28:36 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: wita
"For that matter it could be prescription pain medication.

Yea, it could be anything. I bet that is why they didn't list the drug. It wouldn't sound as ominous as "Drug User".

29 posted on 04/27/2007 6:29:58 AM PDT by bluecollarman (Wasted away again down in Freeperville, lookin' for that new troll I can ZOT!)
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To: bluecollarman
Paranoia is a precursor to good planning.
30 posted on 04/27/2007 6:31:31 AM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: Howdy there

No Hate group can be bigger than the Federal Gubbermint.

Take that peons! Your mere existance is a threat.

That 2nd Amendment bumper sticker is a dead giveaway to your threatening intentions. Say nothing more.

Although home made bombs are a little different issue unless you are blowing up tree stumps.
And firearm possession by a felon is a no no.

Do you think they watched Jericho?


31 posted on 04/27/2007 6:32:02 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: TC Rider

If they only found 2500 rounds of ammo, they didn’t find the ammo ;)


32 posted on 04/27/2007 6:34:33 AM PDT by Sender ("She is the friendly face of America; where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles." (Syria))
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To: Howdy there

Anyone with half a brain ought to be shared skitless by this bit or news. Talk about paranoia. This raid and the reasons for it as explained could be a sound basis for wacoparanoia. To know that there are people in powerful places with ideas regarding citizens of the United States of America as enemies of the state, ought to give rise to a renewed vigilance.

Anyone check under the sink or in the garage recently using the governments “bomb making materials” list? Got more than one gun? That my friends is spelled Arsenal. Got more than a box of shells, good for 5 minutes at the range? You are hoarding. So shut up and sing, but don’t let anyone know what goes on behind closed doors.

To say this type of action by “law enforcement” agencies out looking to justify their existence is action against citizens deemed dangerous, could be the very same prohibited profiling needing to be done nation wide against known enemies of the state, but for Constitutional, or rather legal reasons, is not allowed.


33 posted on 04/27/2007 6:37:24 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Howdy there

Here is the law that is probably being applied to these arrests. (BTW, TITLE 26 is the Internal Revenue Code):

TITLE 26 > Subtitle E > CHAPTER 53 > Subchapter C > § 5861
§ 5861. Prohibited acts

It shall be unlawful for any person—

(a) to engage in business as a manufacturer or importer of, or dealer in, firearms without having paid the special (occupational) tax required by section 5801 for his business or having registered as required by section 5802; or
(b) to receive or possess a firearm transferred to him in violation of the provisions of this chapter; or
(c) to receive or possess a firearm made in violation of the provisions of this chapter; or
(d) to receive or possess a firearm which is not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record; or
(e) to transfer a firearm in violation of the provisions of this chapter; or
(f) to make a firearm in violation of the provisions of this chapter; or
(g) to obliterate, remove, change, or alter the serial number or other identification of a firearm required by this chapter; or
(h) to receive or possess a firearm having the serial number or other identification required by this chapter obliterated, removed, changed, or altered; or
(i) to receive or possess a firearm which is not identified by a serial number as required by this chapter; or
(j) to transport, deliver, or receive any firearm in interstate commerce which has not been registered as required by this chapter; or
(k) to receive or possess a firearm which has been imported or brought into the United States in violation of section 5844; or
(l) to make, or cause the making of, a false entry on any application, return, or record required by this chapter, knowing such entry to be false.

Link : http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00005861——000-.html


34 posted on 04/27/2007 6:38:18 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: verity
"Paranoia is a precursor to good planning."

Well, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you.

On the other hand. The article implies that and the fear is unreasonable and excessive. One can stockpile weapons and explosives because some event is going to happen when they will need them, without being Paranoid.

35 posted on 04/27/2007 6:41:49 AM PDT by bluecollarman (Wasted away again down in Freeperville, lookin' for that new troll I can ZOT!)
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To: Howdy there

So they’re busting up these little ole white boy militias and Terrorist sleeper cells are still untouched? The sleeper cells that are actually waiting for the words to attack Americans? Yeah those


36 posted on 04/27/2007 6:48:18 AM PDT by Paige ("Facts are stubborn things. " President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Howdy there

...and the story of the SPLC is a thread or three unto itself. For anyone in the media to give this excuse for anything legal or related in anyway to poverty, other than poverty of right thinking, is to give airtime to agencies contrary to good order and discipline.


37 posted on 04/27/2007 6:52:21 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: ohioman
“...The SPLC is no better than Al Queda.”

You noticed too. The FBI and the BATF love to talk about “terrorist” groups that are made up of Whites. Meanwhile the Muslim Men’s Prayer Luncheon at the university go unmonitored.

38 posted on 04/27/2007 6:56:14 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: ibheath
So the only crime is they made hand grenades and owned weapons. Anybody else find this case alarming? The government is disarming citizens just because they are armed...........

That's because FedGov fears armed peasants.  

39 posted on 04/27/2007 6:57:49 AM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: Howdy there
Six alleged members of the Free Militia also were arrested by federal authorities and are being held without bond.

Investigators said the DeKalb County-based group had not made any specific threats or devised any plots, but was targeted for swift dismantling because of its heavy firepower. The militia, which called itself the Naval Militia at one point, had enough armament to outfit a small army.

I will be very interested in hearing their probable cause. henceforth I will have no more comments on this case.

40 posted on 04/27/2007 7:00:18 AM PDT by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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