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To: Jim Robinson
If Fred Thomspon can "change his mind" about CFR, and still be the Great White Hope here, why can't Rudy evolve too??

Fred Thompson says gay rights should be left up to the states. That's called a punt. :)

17 posted on 04/27/2007 4:37:16 AM PDT by veronica
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To: veronica
If Fred Thomspon can "change his mind" about CFR, and still be the Great White Hope here, why can't Rudy evolve too??

*sigh* How many times does this have to be explained... Thompson has NOT changed his mind on the idea of the need for campaign finance reform. What he has said is that the specific form of CFR known as McCain-Feingold isn't working and needs to be replaced.

That's a far, far cry from Guiliani's near-daily change of message depending on his audience and latest poll numbers.

20 posted on 04/27/2007 4:44:47 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: veronica

No. Yesterday, the day before and all back through time Giuliani was and remains a gay activist. He didn’t suddenly go straight. He was finally persuaded by his politically astute campaign staff (well, duh), that unless he sheds his extreme leftism, he’s going to go down in flames. Giuliani is simply a liar. A power hungry liar who will now do and say anything to try to win the nomination. Look for him to soon renounce Roe vs Wade and a woman’s right to choose as a good constitutional law. Look for him to go duck hunting and claim he’s a lifetime member of the NRA. I also expect to see him denouncing sanctuary cities as national security risks. “Mistakes were made,” etc. The man’s a sleazy lying whore. And he dresses the part.

Thankfully, conservatives see through this clown.


22 posted on 04/27/2007 4:48:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: veronica
If Fred Thomspon can "change his mind" about CFR, and still be the Great White Hope here, why can't Rudy evolve too??

I thought Rudy was consistent and would pander to no one.

But now you want him to evolve?

Make up your mind.

23 posted on 04/27/2007 4:52:10 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: veronica
Fred Thompson says gay rights should be left up to the states. That's called a punt.

Not its not. Its what the Constitution requires. The federal government has no business in the whole matter.

47 posted on 04/27/2007 5:24:26 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!)
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To: veronica
Fred Thompson says gay rights should be left up to the states. That's called a punt. :)

Fred's a federalist. He was the only Senator to vote against uniform national blood alcohol levels for DUI. He thinks just about everything is up to the states. Which is refreshing considered how everyone else seems to be about centralized power.

72 posted on 04/27/2007 5:42:28 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (A proud member of the Frederalist society.)
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To: veronica
Fred Thompson says gay rights should be left up to the states. That's called a punt. :)

No, that's called federalism. Something Rudy wouldn't recognize - the notion that power is supposed to have constraints.

75 posted on 04/27/2007 5:43:54 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: veronica

So, did you oppose Rudy’s previous position on civil unions, or this new one? Or don’t you care one way or another what his views are?


86 posted on 04/27/2007 5:48:31 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: veronica

“Fred Thompson says gay rights should be left up to the states. That’s called a punt.”

I haven’t heard him address that specifically, other than defining marriage as between Adam and Eve, not Steve. Regardless, it’s called FEDERALISM, (or on this board, Frederalism). You might want to look into it.


99 posted on 04/27/2007 5:56:46 AM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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To: veronica
You ask: "If Fred Thomspon can "change his mind" about CFR, and still be the Great White Hope here, why can't Rudy evolve too??"

because Rudy still supports CFR and thinks the First Amendment is as subjective as art and should be defined only by controlling authorities - an idea for which he was bitch-slapped by the courts for, although I'm glad of his challenge and commend him of his effort to defund the BMoA (and others) of their crappy art shows.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/deconstructing_giuliani.html

The First Amendment

Many conservatives despise McCain for his leading role in passing campaign-finance reform, which they see as an abomination of the First Amendment. But Giuliani is an ardent supporter of campaign finance reform as well. As he was contemplating a run for the Senate in 2000, Giuliani told Wolf Blitzer that he was a “very, very strong supporter of Campaign Finance Reform,” adding that he’d been “a very strong supporter of McCain-Feingold for a long, long time now.”

Rudy’s support for McCain-Feingold is only part of the reason free speech lawyer Floyd Abrams once characterized Giuliani as “deeply contemptuous of the First Amendment.” For example, in 1997, Giuliani went to court to try and force New York Magazine to take down an ad campaign appearing on city buses that ribbed him by proclaiming that the magazine was “probably the only good thing in New York that Rudy hasn’t taken credit for.” Rudy’s court challenge against the magazine failed.

In 1999, Giuliani made headlines by trying to cut off public funding for the Brooklyn Museum of Art after an exhibit featured a portrait of the Virgin Mary decorated with elephant dung. Giuliani was again rebuffed in court on First Amendment grounds, but he subsequently formed a “decency commission” to issue a set of recommended standards for local museums that receive city money.

Incidentally, while this last example may be the sort of free speech impingement that scores points with religious conservatives, it nevertheless points out a pattern of behavior that makes it very hard to argue that Rudy somehow has a greater reverence for the First Amendment than McCain. It should also make pure free speech libertarians like Sager blush with embarrassment for constantly deriding McCain over First Amendment issues while heaping unqualified praise on Giuliani."

Rudy still supports McCain-Feingold and thinks it's good policy. Giuliani has a host of other negatives that exacerbates his desire to see free speech squelched. One strike, the ballgame continues on - with Giuliani, with as many as he already has against himself it's best he's taken out of the game altogether.

111 posted on 04/27/2007 6:02:30 AM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: veronica
Rudy has made no secrets whatsoever about his liberal views. We do not need that guy anywhere near the President’s office. I do not understand why people on a conservative site would support his liberal views.
306 posted on 04/27/2007 11:10:30 AM PDT by MamaB
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