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Giuliani's Startling Departure on Civil Unions [Giuliani weaseling]
The New York Sun ^ | April 27, 2007 | RYAN SAGER

Posted on 04/27/2007 3:10:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson

Yup, there’s been some kind of mission statement as far back as I can recall. Here’s the one from the wayback machine I found when I was posting to Sam Hill earlier. He was talking about when he signed up in 1999. Although some of the focus of what we were trying to influence has changed, the underlying core principles have not changed.

http://web.archive.org/web/19990125095438/http://www.freerepublic.com/

What is our mission? Free Republic is dedicated to reversing the trend of unconstitutional government expansion and is advocating a complete restoration of our constitutional republic. Listed below are some of the issues we feel strongly about.

Basically, we believe that the Founders designed our system of government in the form of a constitutionally limited republic, with maximum freedom intended for the people and minimum government control or interference into our personal lives and business affairs.

The united states of America was intended to be a federation of sovereign states, each with its own constitution and state government. Governments at all levels — federal, state and local — were to be controlled by the people. Our Constitution explicitly restricts the power of our federal government; and our Bill of Rights guarantees that NO government may infringe upon our God given unalienable rights. This is to ensure that the real power remains close to home, with the states, the local governments and always in the hands of the people.

We the People have granted our federal government limited powers to oversee certain things, such as national defense, interstate commerce, the postal service, the coining of money, and the operation of a court system. Most other powers now in the hands of the federal government were illegally usurped from the states and from the people.

Somehow, over the years, our guiding principles of law, as set forth in the Constitution, have been eroded to the point that the federal government now has total control — leaving the states impotent and the people as captive servants to the federal government. This must be reversed if we are to survive as a free Republic and a free people.

We at Free Republic are determined to return the Constitution to its rightful place as the Supreme Law of the land as the Founders intended.

It is not necessary for everyone to hold the same views to be members of Free Republic, however, many of us do share many of the following as common beliefs and goals:

The preservation and complete restoration of our Constitution and Bill of Rights with special emphasis on the first, second, fourth, fifth, sixth, ninth and tenth amendments and, of course, our right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness — free of government intervention.

We call for the repeal of the 17th amendment, which will reverse the independence of the Senate and reestablish the Senate as a representative of the State governments, as intended by the Founding Fathers. This arrangement was intended to be a critical check against illegal federal expansion over the States, and the people residing in the various States, and will act to return the powers not granted to the federal government, as enumerated in the Constitution, to the states.

We call for the repeal of the 16th amendment and to abolish the income tax and the IRS. Revenues to the federal government should come from excise taxes and tariffs.

We call for the repeal of the Emergency and War Powers Acts, an end to all national emergencies and a ban on the unilateral creation of law by Presidential edict. We are also working for the repeal all laws created by unconstitutional and extraconstitutional devices, such as Executive Order or Presidential Directive.
Repeal of the war and emergency powers acts and the various states of national emergencies will allow the abolishing of all unconstitutional federal law, agencies and departments. This will return us to a Federalist system of government and return many responsibilities to the States and personal rights to the citizens.

A return to a strictly Constitutional form of federal government will automatically repeal and abolish all unconstitutional federal involvement in states issues such as: crime, health, education, welfare and the environment. The Tenth Amendment will again be in effect, which will bar all federal attempts at legislating social issues. This will also require that social programs such as Social Security, welfare and Medicare be repealed. So too, will most federal subsidies.

We further call for the rescinding of all treaties and/or International Agreements which are not in perfect agreement with the federal government?s Constitutionally mandated task of protecting the rights of the people.

We believe that the United States should disassociate itself from the U.N. and that the U.N. should be forced to leave the United States. Furthermore, we demand that the federal government refrain from meddling in the business and squabbles of foreign nations, unless there is an imminent threat to the people of the United States.

We also call for the strengthening of our military and defenses; the effective control over illegal immigration and smuggling; the paying down the national debt; and strict control over federal agencies like the CIA and the FBI.


NOTE: Free Republic does NOT condone bigotry or violence and does NOT advocate an overthrow of the government.


421 posted on 04/27/2007 3:19:24 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: dirtboy
Sounds like FR is now about properly centered in the conservative movement. Conservative, but not to the point of being stupid like the Buchananites. Pragmatic, but not willing to sell out for a candidate like Rudy. It should be interesting to see what kind of mileage FR gets after your latest tune-up.

That would make an interesting tagline. I'll shorten it a bit.

422 posted on 04/27/2007 3:23:01 PM PDT by FreeReign (Conservative, but not to the point of being stupid. Pragmatic, but not willing to sell out.)
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To: FreeReign

I like it!


423 posted on 04/27/2007 3:24:14 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: dirtboy

I do too!


424 posted on 04/27/2007 3:25:45 PM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: snowsislander

He is so far on the left of so many issues that it is hard to see why Mr. Giuliani doesn’t run as a Democrat instead of as a Republican.
***Maybe that’s his plan.

Rudy Giuliani video on YouTube: “I would like to run on the Democratic line “

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1793570/posts


425 posted on 04/27/2007 3:32:44 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: dirtboy

“the now banned liberal Giuliani supporters/conservative bashers were cheering wildly as the Bush bashers were getting their heads handed to them.”

So true. I was not a basher, but when I posted my dissent against the Miers nomination, CFR, open borders, I was pummeled with 2X4s as many others on here were too.


426 posted on 04/27/2007 3:42:41 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: dirtboy
LOL!

It's a fine line.

427 posted on 04/27/2007 3:55:21 PM PDT by FreeReign (Conservative, but not to the point of being stupid. Pragmatic, but not willing to sell out.)
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To: rbmillerjr

Yup. I received quite a bit of that pummeling myself. Cant hold out for known conservatives, y’know.


428 posted on 04/27/2007 3:59:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: rbmillerjr
Didn’t understand it then, but it’s starting to make more sense now, They actually didn’t want to hold out for a known conservative. We’ve now been told that we’ve held our boot on the neck of the GOP for far too long. The new GOP will govern from the left, er, I mean middle. Issues like abortion and gun control will never again be allowed to be basic issues for the GOP.
429 posted on 04/27/2007 4:05:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: dirtboy
>>>>>Sounds like FR is now about properly centered in the conservative movement. Conservative, but not to the point of being stupid like the Buchananites. Pragmatic, but not willing to sell out for a candidate like Rudy.

It should be interesting to see what kind of mileage FR gets after your latest tune-up.

Buchanan to the right and Giuliani way out on the left. Extremism abound. Even though some FReepers tilted leftward on a few issues over the years, I always thought Jim kept FR in the conservative mainstream, operating in the spirit of Ronald Reagan.

430 posted on 04/27/2007 4:23:07 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: airborne
I have always found FreeRepublic a place that I could come (until lately) and find people with the same hopes and dreams for our Party and our nation.

That sums it up beautifully.

Clearly, individuals who do not share conservatives' hopes and dreams are out of place on FR---like a slab of Spam in a 5-star restaurant.

Let's keep in mind that FR is NOT a debating forum. Since its inception, FR has been a haven for conservatives, a place to get away from liberal rantings. FR is a news-oriented forum where conservatives discuss current events---mostly agreeing, sometimes disagreeing.

JimRob has outlined the FR mission to which all conservatives subscribe. Conservatives agree unequivocally that FR is NOT the place to promote liberals, socialists, socialism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, gun control, illegal aliens, etc.

Jim has decried the conservative-trashing some individuals have engaged in, and has acted accordingly.

It is extraordinarily offensive when individuals come on FR with a hidden agenda.

When individuals continually denigrate FR conservatives and diminish our strongly-held beliefs.

When individuals use FR to flack liberals like Giuliani and engage in revisionist history vis a vis Rooty's positions (as a way to dupe conservatives into thinking Rooty is one of them).

When individuals suggest FR conservatives are a meaningless insignificant group that they, and Rooty, plan to dump off the Repub party lifeboat.

When individuals suggest FR conservatives are "in the way" of Rooty's political ambitions.

When individuals suggest FR conservatives should bug off and sit idly by while the US government is turned over to Rooty-liberals, heralding the political destruction of our Nation, and the loss of our freedoms.

Individuals who do not, or cannot, abide by FR protocols should not waste our time, or our bandwidth.

431 posted on 04/27/2007 4:26:16 PM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Reagan Man
Exactly. The GOP cannot appeal to a broad enough base if it tries to govern from either extreme of its membership. Center-right is the path. And clear communication is the key. Reagan had that ability. Fred has it as well.

I don't think Fred will be the next Reagan. He will just be the new Fred. He's an original, just like Reagan was.

But he would, IMO, govern in the spirit of Reagan.

432 posted on 04/27/2007 4:27:09 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: dirtboy

When Ronald Reagan spoke, the world listened.

When Fred Thompson speaks, people listen.

A very rare quality, indeed.

I like FredT! I hope he makes some announcement soon.


433 posted on 04/27/2007 4:32:36 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man

Took your suggestion as to the tagline.


434 posted on 04/27/2007 4:32:57 PM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: dirtboy

Looks real good.

I like it!


435 posted on 04/27/2007 4:36:33 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man
(Your tagline) Works for me!
436 posted on 04/27/2007 4:50:05 PM PDT by vox_freedom (John 16:2 yea, the hour come, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God)
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To: dirtboy
Where

The proper center....
437 posted on 04/27/2007 5:53:30 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Great minds think alike.

And then there's me...

438 posted on 04/27/2007 5:55:46 PM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: MinuteGal

Hi Leni! Hope you’re doing better!


439 posted on 04/27/2007 5:59:56 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Looks pretty good but I’d put both right sections into the same color and move both areas to the left (pardon the expression).


440 posted on 04/27/2007 6:06:28 PM PDT by vox_freedom (John 16:2 yea, the hour come, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God)
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